Hi,

I assembling my cooking gear. I was hoping to fit the Trangia stove, utensils and food all into one front Ortlieb, but I'm struggling for space. Those panniers are actually pretty tiny.

I'm interested in how much pannier space other people dedicate to their kitchen.

Thanks,
James

My kitchen is defined by a Trangia alcohol stove, a small zippered case of spices, 2 titanium pots and tops, a small cutting board, a wooden spoon, pop-out silicone cup measure, plastic fork, spoon, and knife, plastic pot cozy and wind screen, quart container of alcohol fuel.

The stove fits into the pots, the cutting board, cup and utensils are rolled up into a ziploc bag, the cozy and wind screen fold flat. The pots and the spice case go on the bottom of my front left pannier. The utensil ziploc gets wormed in between them. The cozy and wind screen are slide between the pots and the outside of the bag. All tolled, less than half the front pannier.

I usually carry a couple meals (or more) worth of dried food on top of the cooking gear and I also put my food for the day at the very top. If I am carrying particularly bulky foods, like a loaf of bread or a bag of potato chips, they usually got in a rear pannier.

The metal fuel container is carried in a water cage on the frame with appropriate labeling (I drink from a camelback so confusion isn't really possible).

As a comparison, I carry a rolled up thermarest in my right front pannier and I'd say it takes up about the same amount of room, though in a different configuration.

Note that I don't drink hot drinks so carry no coffee or tea or a way to drink or fix them.

This is our cook kit: Titanium pot (MSR Pocket Rocket stove, dish soap, small pack towel all fit in pot), fuel canister(s), 2 bowls, 2 lexon cups, 2 sets of lexon utensils, and a 6"x 6" thin roll-up cutting board. That and a spare tire (if we take one), tool kit and maybe my rain pants fit in right front pannier. Food, drinks and some misc. fit in the left pannier which is insulated. My front panniers are Ortlieb Front Roller Classics.


Depending on where we are touring, we carry a couple of freeze dried dinners as backup. We make it a point to eat them before the end of the trip whether it is an "emergency" or not. The front panniers make a passable wind screen. The stove, weighing 3 oz., fits in the small red case.


Like raybo, If we are using our liquid fuel stove, a MSR Whisperlite International, the fuel bottle is carried in the 3rd water bottle cage. Everything else is much the same as with the fuel canisters.

I carry 2 pots, put my MSR International stove inside the pot, along with cheap spoon, spice bottles, tiny spatula, plastic coffee cup and chopsticks, all fit inside a waterproof bag (3L estimate). 1L Fuel bottle gets carried on the frame of the bike. Food gets carried in a separate waterproof bag. Honestly, it's just a matter of how you pack, not so much what your packing. Put things within things..... Leave no empty space inside your panniers.

was in one of mine, but i had 4 same sized bags .. so which one in front or rear is beside the point, here.

Just one pot for me and the fuel, stove, and everything else fits inside. It takes up maybe 1/8th of a rear pannier. The food bag fits next to the pot...

One 16 floz Ti mug for me. I mostly make tea and noodle soups.

https://www.evernewamerica.com/ECA266.htm

it holds an Evernew alcohol stove, wind screen, washcloth, Bic lighter and a collapsible silicone cup. I usually carry 8 fl oz of ethanol fuel.

Rowan and I use the Orikaso dinner sets. They fold flat and take up hardly any room at all.

https://www.modernoutpost.com/shop/ta...inner-set.html

In addition to that, I carry a mug and a spoon.

Rowan carries the Trangia.

As for food ... we don't carry much of that.

How much food are you trying to carry?

When I toured solo for an extended period, I didn't even bother with a plate or bowl, but ate from one of the Trangia pots. I did have a plastic mug for coffee. My knife, fork and spoon set was stainless steel and fitted in the smallest Trangia bowl, so it fitted inside the Trangia set-up. I used a draw-tie fabric bag for carrying food and condiments.

In more recent times, I have toured with the aforesmentioned Orikaso set and the Trangia. These fit in one of the two largish panniers that I carry on the back. I don't run front panniers. I know that the front Ortliebs are small, but I am having a little trouble understanding why you are having trouble fitting the stuff in, hence the question about the amount of food.

Definitely less than a pannier, I'd say.

I have no problem with the kitchen stuff in the Front rollers, but I don't usually carry much food. I stop at the store every day if I can.

Marc

For me it can vary a good bit. Not counting food itself and fuel I can usually fit everything in a 2 liter stuff sack these days. I generally carry very little food and maybe 12 ounces of fuel (alcohol). Even back when I packed really heavy and carried cooking gear for three on my first tour, I can't imagine ever needing more than even a small pannier for food, cooking stuff, and fuel.

The exception might be if I go bike packing or touring in a more remote location that required more than a few days of food or maybe a bear canister. Still even then I could probably manage with normal sized front panniers if using my small bear canister.

I have bike toured with as little as one small Ti cooking pot, one long handle spoon and one butane stove.

Have also bike toured with two pots, a fry pan, spoons, spatula, and liquid fuel stove.

It all depends on how well I want to eat and how high the hills (or mountains) are that I will have to climb. The less climbing on a trip, the more weight on the bike that I can carry for that trip.

This is the pot that I usually bring if I am going on a one-pot trip.



On my last canoe trip, the hash browns with peppers and onions were really good. I listened to this piece and decided to expand my grocery list before the trip.
https://www.npr.org/2013/09/26/226254...ers-spud-needs

But I usually leave the 10 inch fry pan at home when I bike tour. This was a cheap kitchen type fry pan, thicker gauge aluminum than the camping ones for better heat distribution, the handle was removed and discarded for camping purposes.

I use Ortliebs and I am trying to get my head around the cook stuff not fitting... I use several different setups depending on my needs. But even the largest of them that involves a pressure cooker still fits in a single front pannier. Look at some of the GSI sets to get an idea of how things can nest together. I carry enough food for a meal or two at most, pickup food on a daily basis.

Aaron

I also use the Ortlieb Back Rollers and I have the Trangia 25 set. I've found many reasons to really like that cookset, but the fact that it took up an entire front pannier caused me to investigate a lighter and smaller option. I eventually purchased the Esbit Alcohol Trekking set. I wrote a short comparison here. The Esbit fits in a Front Roller along with two, 8 oz fuel bottles, my sleeping bag, my kitchen kit, and a few other odds and ends.

i view my Trangia set as vastly superior to the Esbit set, yet it is more of a luxury than a necessity. Were I going on a tour where the focus might be more gourmet, the Trangia 25 would be my choice. But the Esbit is a great choice for day-to-day meals and the space and weight savings are big.

i bought my son a Mini Trangia set for Christmas so I now have a third option in the family. I may choose that for hiking where weight is even more critical.

+1. I have Sport Packers up front. I have an old MSR Blacklite cookset that's not all that compact, although the two pots do nest. I also have an MSR Dragon Fly stove, which is on the bulky side. This, along with a small cutting board, sharp knife and eating spoon fit in one Sport Packer with a lot of room to spare for when I pick up groceries, which I do as close to camp as possible. I could put my fuel bottle in their too, but I put it one of the rear panniers for weight balance reasons. You can save space by stuffing as much as you can into your pot(s). Inside my nesting pots are spice vials, folding cooking utensils, a sponge, liquid soap and pot gripper and a PakTowel.

Can you post a picture of your cooking gear, food and pannier?