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Old 04-30-14, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I have done it (unloaded) twice as part of two Cycle Oregons in the same conditons at the same time of year. First time we rode up from Daimond Lake, did the loop and rode back down to the lake. The second time we came up from Fort Klamath, did the loop and rode down to Prospect. I think the two trips prematurely aged me. I remember the first time feeling that I didn't even want to do the 12 mile descent back to Diamond Lake. I was that exhausted. The map for that day shows a total of 59.8 miles and 6,470' of eleveation gain, with four peaks of over 7,000'. I believe that includes the short out and back to Cloud Cap Overlook, which offers terrific views.

This is the only photo I have handy at the moment:

We try to ride around it as part of our annual 4th of July ski trips. Sometimes snow stops us from making the entire loop, but it is still a great ride. We have also skied around it several times in late winter or early spring when the days are a little longer. It is even more beautiful in the winter. I was a volunteer back-counrty ski patroller there for over 20 years. My most favorite place in the world!

My whole point of this post, before I got on a ramble, was to complement you on the amount of climbing you did during that section of your tour. While I have done bits and pieces at different times; I have never done what you folks did in one ride. I can appreciate the effort.


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Originally Posted by indyfabz
There was a relatively recent thread about that alternative on the ACA forum. Sounds like very tough going due to the condition of the road.
Yep, my bad suggestion. Here's a review from a Crazy Guy on a Bike.............

Bicycle Touring: Forum: Regional: North America: #5921: "Sierra Cascades - Windigo Pass", posted by Douglas Hintz on Tue 23 Aug 2011 10:36 (US/Pacific)

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Originally Posted by axolotl
I biked the entire loop around Crater Lake on a beautiful sunny day in early September. (I drove up to the park, however.) It's a gorgeous but exhausting ride because it's mostly up and down with some long climbs. I read that in the 33 mile loop around the lake, the total amount of climbing adds up to about 3,800 feet. Parts of the road are away from the rim with no view of the lake, but it's still wonderful.
I ran the marathon there one year, most of the way around the rim. I tell people it was really hard. They ask if it was the altitude (8,000 feet or so at one high lookout). No, it was hard because of the hills! I think it would be easer on my bike.

If you go there I think it's worth hiking down to the water and going on a boat ride. Or at least numbing your legs in the water. I don't remember if there are any good places to leave a bike, though.

I thought the water would look normal when I got down near it. Nope, it kept doing that weird blue glowing thing.
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Originally Posted by enigmaT120
I ran the marathon there one year, most of the way around the rim. I tell people it was really hard. They ask if it was the altitude (8,000 feet or so at one high lookout). No, it was hard because of the hills! I think it would be easer on my bike.

If you go there I think it's worth hiking down to the water and going on a boat ride. Or at least numbing your legs in the water. I don't remember if there are any good places to leave a bike, though.

I thought the water would look normal when I got down near it. Nope, it kept doing that weird blue glowing thing.
+1

The boat ride is well worth the cost. I believe there is a ticket office by the parking lot. There might be a place to lock your bike up there, where someone might keep an eye on it.

About 36 years ago--It can sleet and spit snow even in September. One old shirt

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Yep. Maybe a bad suggestion unless you're on a Mt bike.
And by "Mt. bike", would you mean "fat bike with four-inch wide tires?" That's what I would use if I ever attempted Windigo Pass again. Pushing a bike on a sandy road ain't my idea of fun.
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As for another option to throw in the ring, when I bike from Crater Lake to Eugene last July, I rode 138 and then picked up "Diamond Drive", a 70 mile route of Forest Service roads that got me to Oakridge, and from there 58 into Eugene (mostly.) Diamond Drive is remote and scenic, but also features 20 miles or so of gravel, some of it a bit rough, but I found it mostly manageable with my LHT with 35 mm wide tires. It won't be everyone's cup o' tea, though.
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Originally Posted by mtnbud
Derail3,

Hwy 58 has a substantial shoulder most of it's full length. So does Hwy 97.

There is a tunnel on Hwy 58 near Salt Creek Falls. You'll be riding in the uphill direction in this tunnel. There is no shoulder in the tunnel, but there are hazard lights to warn cars when bikes are in the tunnel. There's a button you push on the shoulder of the road just before you enter the tunnel.

Hwy 58 has a fairly substantial climb, but it'll be less than your other options.

There's a hot springs beside Hwy 58 about 10 miles past Oakridge. Big Mountain Cafe in Chemult has good breakfasts. The Pilot truck stop in Chemult has showers. There's a snow park just before Chemult with a day use warming cabin and outhouses that could make a good campsite. There's also many options for setting up camp off the highway.

It looks like you're looking at 140 to 150 miles to get to the north rim. I notice Eugene has bus service to Oakridge so you might be able to shorten that distance by 40 miles.
If using a bus is in play, he can take one of the morning buses from Eugene to McKenzie Bridge on Hwy 126 and then ride the aufderheide to hwy 58. While that's going to be similar mileage to just riding up to Oakridge, it will cut back on the net climbing. The LTD buses all have bike racks on the front.
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
If using a bus is in play, he can take one of the morning buses from Eugene to McKenzie Bridge on Hwy 126 and then ride the aufderheide to hwy 58.
What splendid ride the Aufderheide is.
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There is also a bus that runs from Eugene to Oakridge on OR 58. Runs on weekdays. Takes three bikes.
https://www.ltd.org/diamondex/schedule.html
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Eugene to Oakridge via river front bike path, Dorris Ranch to Clearwater bike path, Jasper - Lowell road, Pengra road, Hiway 58 is 45.5 miles with 600' gain. Mckenzie Bridge to Oakridge via the Aufderhiede is 62.5 miles and 2250' gain. The Aufderhiede is low traffic and scenic and you'll see old growth including the Constitution Grove (alive when the US constitution was signed).
Hiway 58 is a major truck route with A LOT of traffic.
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Originally Posted by choteau
Eugene to Oakridge via river front bike path, Dorris Ranch to Clearwater bike path, Jasper - Lowell road, Pengra road, Hiway 58 is 45.5 miles with 600' gain. Mckenzie Bridge to Oakridge via the Aufderhiede is 62.5 miles and 2250' gain. The Aufderhiede is low traffic and scenic and you'll see old growth including the Constitution Grove (alive when the US constitution was signed).
Hiway 58 is a major truck route with A LOT of traffic.
I rode 58 from Oakridge to Eugene last year. If I had the choice I would have taken the Aufderhide, but I didn't have time. 58 definitely has its share of traffic, including trucks. I used the Pengra-Jasper routing choteau referrs to, and I found Jasper to be the worst part: narrow, no shoulder, loads of fast traffic (I had the misfortune of hitting it right at rush hour.)

Of course, from what I remember riding 126 from Eugene to McKenzie Bridge, it's also got quite a bit of traffic and the shoulder is lacking in spots.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
Too short a vacation break? How about drive there, with the Bikes.. and ride the Crater Lake rim road?
+1 I used that approach a couple of years ago after riding down the coast. It also allows you to jettison your gear which makes the hilly circle much more enjoyable.

I don't know what time of year you are planning the trip derail3 but we got there about a week after the rim road opened for the year in late July. I live in Wisconsin and know mosquitoes first hand and I can tell you I've never seen them as thick and hungry as at Crater Lake so beware of that!
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Originally Posted by badger_biker

I don't know what time of year you are planning the trip derail3 but we got there about a week after the rim road opened for the year in late July. I live in Wisconsin and know mosquitoes first hand and I can tell you I've never seen them as thick and hungry as at Crater Lake so beware of that!
+1!

My wife and I spend a lot of time at Crater Lake,skiing cycling and photography. We literally have thousands of pictures taken in the park. We often joke about why we are actually taking more pictures. Could be that gigabytes are a lot cheaper that a roll of Fuji Valvia.

One evening in early July we had the cameras set up on tripods, and were waiting for the sun to start setting. Cars would stop when they saw us and come over to take a look at the lake. They would get out of their cars, saunter over to the overlook, last for about 15 seconds in their shorts and t-shirts, and then run back to their cars. They did not realize that we had bug nets over our heads and neck, long sleeved shirts and pants, all with a liberal dose of DEET. We'd even wear gloves so we did not have to spray repellent on our hands. Deet will remove the paint of of most things, and melt plastic watch crystals; we did not want to handle our camera gear with repellent on our hands.

We usually camp in Mazama Campground, near the South Entrance to the Park. Those little blood suckers are just as bad down there.
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Funny, I visited Crater Lake last July and don't remember anything about mosquitoes. Maybe I just got lucky? (I rode the loop one day and camped at Diamond Lake for two nights.)
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Was it windy? I think you got lucky!

I find the mosquitoes at Diamond Lake can be even worse than the mosquitoes at Crater Lake. Diamond Lake is notorious for mosquitoes. The forest service even mentions it on their website I'm getting itchy even thinking about it!
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I was that exhausted. The map for that day shows a total of 59.8 miles and 6,470' of eleveation gain, with four peaks of over 7,000'. I believe that includes the short out and back to Cloud Cap Overlook, which offers terrific views.
yowzer, thats a day. Thats pretty near 2000m. The only times I have done that much climbing was some days in the Pyrenees, maybe 2200m but we did perhaps 50 or 60km, or about half of your day. I believe the "prematurely aging" bit.

was going through this thread and thinking how darn neat it would be to ride there----but then I saw the part about the mosquitoes....I too have grown up with bugs hiking and canoeing, but for some reason I find my tolerance for them when biking is not the same. Getting old and wussy I guess (but probably cuz nearly all my bike tours havent had bad bugs so, but then again, I really do like to be able to take breaks and sit around a campsite without being a Red Cross blood donor).
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Originally Posted by mtnbud
Was it windy? I think you got lucky! I find the mosquitoes at Diamond Lake can be even worse than the mosquitoes at Crater Lake. Diamond Lake is notorious for mosquitoes.
Nope, no wind. Maybe the mosquitoes know not to mess with me? ;-)
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Originally Posted by Doug64
We usually camp in Mazama Campground, near the South Entrance to the Park. Those little blood suckers are just as bad down there.
That is where we camped - amongst the clouds of mosquitoes! Funny thing is it looked as dry as could be on the ground in that area. The hatch must have occured earlier when it was wet with the snow melt.

Much worse there than riding around the rim road. At lease on the ride we had a few seconds to stop and enjoy the view before they found us.
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
Nope, no wind. Maybe the mosquitoes know not to mess with me? ;-)
It could be you have some strange superpower against mosquitoes, but my bet is you got lucky.

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Originally Posted by mtnbud
It could be you have some strange superpower against mosquitoes, but my bet is you got lucky.
Or he makes coffee like I do.

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What's that stuff you put on the backs of cats' and dogs' necks to repel fleas and ticks? I wonder if it repels mosquitoes, too.

Before anybody suggests the obvious experiment, there are rarely mosquitoes where I live. It will have to be somebody else. Or check the research on the product. Hopefully it was tested on humans before it was approved to be applied to my precious pets.
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Originally Posted by enigmaT120
What's that stuff you put on the backs of cats' and dogs' necks to repel fleas and ticks? I wonder if it repels mosquitoes, too.

Before anybody suggests the obvious experiment, there are rarely mosquitoes where I live. It will have to be somebody else. Or check the research on the product. Hopefully it was tested on humans before it was approved to be applied to my precious pets.
do some research, this stuff works in the bloodstream of the animal to get to the bugs and does stuff via the blood, cant recall the details but thats basically how my wife has explained it to me. It is to stop proliferation and or egg laying abilities, again, look up details.
I wouldnt put in on yourself. but hey, as you wish. Just be informed beforehand.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
What splendid ride the Aufderheide is.
Yes it is! I did it starting from the 126 end. Other than the cold rain it was awesome.

Neat thread. I'll be riding in the Crater Lake >> Lakeview area this summer, a bit.
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It looks like we'll be in the Eugene area in September. And if all goes well, we'll do a bit of cycling around there ... maybe around Crater Lake too, but we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Machka
It looks like we'll be in the Eugene area in September. And if all goes well, we'll do a bit of cycling around there ... maybe around Crater Lake too, but we'll see.
You might enjoy the car-free Saturdays at Crater Lake on Sept 20 and Sept 27 Vehicle Free Days on East Rim Drive - Crater Lake National Park (U.S. National Park Service) Also, we will be having the Duncan Ride sometime around then in Eugene. It's a free 190 km ride with full support and very minimal traffic (as in you shouldn't have to deal with a car passing you for the first 130 km or so. I'll PM you when we set our date. (We usually do it on the Saturday closest to equinox, but we don't want to conflict with the car-free Crater Lake if we can avoid it.)
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