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Old 12-01-14 | 05:16 PM
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How important is it to go in August? How important is it to keep time/distance down e.g. 3000 miles (or some time equivalent)? What other flexibility do you have?

It seems to me if you are tightly constrained in time and it being August, then starting a little further north decreases amount of hot/muggy riding to be done. Riding a little further north does increase the distance - which might increase risk of not making your time budget. However, if you start on east coast and make last part of trip not too far from the Amtrak California Zephyr line cities - then if worst comes to worst, you take a train last little bit home and go back a little later an "finish" that last part of the trip. Alternately, if everything goes much faster than planned, then you are home a bit early.
Flexibility is practically zero. I have a set time off and it's just enough to squeeze the ride in provided that I start near the Bay Area and keep the distance reasonable. I do plan on doing a northern route in the future, but that will have to wait until 2017.

Heat and humidity doesn't bother me as much as it bothers the average person, so I can see why people are so caught up on that.

I did consider E-W, but it will actually save me time if I start on the W.
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Old 12-01-14 | 05:50 PM
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What's your suggestion to improve it? Is southern CO more interesting than northern NM? Do you prefer TN over MS/AL/GA? If so, why?

The first 1/3rd of the route looks far from boring to me. I did a little bit of riding on the Talimena Scenic Drive in OK/AR that I really enjoyed, which is part of the reason for the way the middle 1/3rd of the route is set up. The southeast may be boring for some, but it's a big difference from where I live, which is part of the appeal of riding there.
My overall suggestion would be to start somewhere further north and end somewhere further north, from both a scenery and climate standpoint. Or do a north-south, or south-north route. (My own longest tours in North America have been north-south & south-north.) But since I still don't know what your motivations are and whether it's absolutely essential to you that you ride eastward to reach the Atlantic Ocean, it's less likely that I can give you suggestions which might be helpful for you.

I've been across Tennessee but only was in northern Mississippi and northern Alabama, not the central parts. But from what I saw, Tennessee was more scenic than northern MS/AL. But scenic may not be relevant to you, though you haven't said anything one way or another about that. If the end-point has to be in the SE, I'd aim for Savannah, which is perhaps the prettiest town in the South (along with Charleston, SC).

As for southern Colorado vs. northern NM, there are nice areas in both. Overall, I found southern CO more scenic, and northern NM more interesting from a cultural standpoint. But once again, both of those attributes may not be relevant to you, but I can't be sure unless you tell us.
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Old 12-01-14 | 09:14 PM
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You think it's reasonable to equate riding across the country via the least interesting route possible with riding a trainer in the house, because that is the import of the passage you quoted?

Yes. The OP asked what people think of his route, so personal opinions about it are legitimate responses. But "If that's all you want to do, you might as well stay home and ride the trainer" goes beyond that. It is, after all, his ride. If he wants to cover miles for the sake of covering miles and/or wants to be able to say "I rode across the country" regardless of the scenic nature fo the route, so be it.
dangitall, hyperbole doesn't seem to translate via the intertubes!

sure, it's op's ride, but op asked for advice without giving much information. well, i gave
advice. if he likes it, groovy, if not, that's equally groovy.

we know he wants to start within 6 hours drive (250 miles or so) of reno, assuming
that's home. nevada....cool ride.

we know he wants to end up near-ish to jacksonville airport. don't know why, and don't
know if 6 hour drive or couple hours on a train/bus will ruin the plan.

we also know he wants to do 3000 miles. no telling why either. maybe he's planning on
doing 30 centuries back-to-back.

the route he chose (other than the first 1/3) seems awfully dreary.

op asked "What do you guys think of this route?" and then said "I'm not 100% set on
the start and finish location if there are better options."

so there. what do i think? definitely, infinitely, better options for a 3000-mile ride.
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Old 12-01-14 | 09:59 PM
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My overall suggestion would be to start somewhere further north and end somewhere further north, from both a scenery and climate standpoint. Or do a north-south, or south-north route. (My own longest tours in North America have been north-south & south-north.) But since I still don't know what your motivations are and whether it's absolutely essential to you that you ride eastward to reach the Atlantic Ocean, it's less likely that I can give you suggestions which might be helpful for you.

I've been across Tennessee but only was in northern Mississippi and northern Alabama, not the central parts. But from what I saw, Tennessee was more scenic than northern MS/AL. But scenic may not be relevant to you, though you haven't said anything one way or another about that. If the end-point has to be in the SE, I'd aim for Savannah, which is perhaps the prettiest town in the South (along with Charleston, SC).

As for southern Colorado vs. northern NM, there are nice areas in both. Overall, I found southern CO more scenic, and northern NM more interesting from a cultural standpoint. But once again, both of those attributes may not be relevant to you, but I can't be sure unless you tell us.
West-East is what I'm looking for.

As for what I want, the main goal is safe roads: low traffic density or shoulders. Scenery is in the eye of the beholder. For example, I took a trip to ND once and people thought I was crazy, but I really enjoyed it there. It was different from what I was used to riding, and that was enough for me. I wouldn't want to live there, but it's beautiful in its own way. Same goes for KS. Most people think of it as boring, but I didn't feel that way about it. I've ben to MS and GA multiple times and I don't see anything boring about them.

So the priorities are: safe roads, low traffic density, avoiding major cities. I'm more of a cyclist than a tourist. It's mainly about the ride for me.
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Old 12-01-14 | 10:05 PM
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dangitall, hyperbole doesn't seem to translate via the intertubes!

sure, it's op's ride, but op asked for advice without giving much information. well, i gave
advice. if he likes it, groovy, if not, that's equally groovy.

we know he wants to start within 6 hours drive (250 miles or so) of reno, assuming
that's home. nevada....cool ride.

we know he wants to end up near-ish to jacksonville airport. don't know why, and don't
know if 6 hour drive or couple hours on a train/bus will ruin the plan.

we also know he wants to do 3000 miles. no telling why either. maybe he's planning on
doing 30 centuries back-to-back.

the route he chose (other than the first 1/3) seems awfully dreary.

op asked "What do you guys think of this route?" and then said "I'm not 100% set on
the start and finish location if there are better options."

so there. what do i think? definitely, infinitely, better options for a 3000-mile ride.
Pretty simple: time is limited. Starting in the Bay Area saves me a day of driving to San Diego or Oregon, for example. Tie is limited, so 3,000 miles keeps me at a comfortable mileage per day range. If I start getting up to 3,100/3,200 miles, it gets iffy.

Jacksonville airport isn't necessary. Any airport will do. Looking closer, it seems easy to finish near an airport on the east coast, so options are open. Originally I was shooting for VA beach, but mileage gets high on that route.

What are your better options? Throw them out there.
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Old 12-01-14 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by saddlesores
why not pick a bunch of interesting sights
and make a big loop, which just might total 3000km since that number
seems so significant?

sure, start in reno. cross nevada to utah, north to idaho
montana and wyoming before it gets too cold, then south
through colorado to new mexico. cross arizona, thru death
valley, and back to california.
stinky sez skip the eastern half, enjoy the southwest.

y'all could even end up someplace where you could catch
an amtrak back. you got a twice-weekly run that stops
at some towns along hwy 90 in southwest texas. (check
first, some are no-baggage-car-open stops.
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Old 12-02-14 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DXchulo
West-East is what I'm looking for.
As for what I want, the main goal is safe roads: low traffic density or shoulders.
Hard to generalize but will do it anyways. In my experience, I've found more shoulders in northern US than south - and more in western US than east. Hence, when I pick a route going through the western US, I'm more inclined to pick a major US highway that stays away from largest cities and end up with either some shoulders or at least lower traffic. In addition, in west there are fewer roads to pick from.

When I tried using similar techniques further east (e.g. TN, MS, OH) then I more often ran into different combination:
- largest roads were fairly direct, but often didn't have good shoulders - and more traffic
- smaller roads had less traffic, but less likely to be as direct and still didn't have as many shoulders
So thinking from perspective of your preferences listed above, I'd either see if someone from southeastern states is familiar with these specific roads - or at least do some random sampling with google street view.
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Old 12-02-14 | 02:39 PM
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So thinking from perspective of your preferences listed above, I'd either see if someone from southeastern states is familiar with these specific roads
That was the whole point of this thread in the first place! I'm not sure why it went into the weird direction it did. I think I'll break it up state-by-state and go to the regional forums.
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ACA routes ,Northern Tier - Louis and Clark has a few east coasters dipping their Tire in the surf at Sunset Beach Not far from Ft Clatsop where they spent winter in 1805.


Lewis and Clark National Historical Park (U.S. National Park Service) Lewis and Clark Expedition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They spent the next year going back East to the Mississippi , again.. 1806
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Old 09-24-15 | 07:28 AM
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In case anyone is interested, I ended up doing a route that was very similar to the one I originally posted and I was very happy with it.

As expected, the first 1/3rd was great. As far as the New Mexico vs. Colorado debate goes, I ended up going through New Mexico and was happy with that decision. I've never ridden in southern Colorado, so I can't say that the New Mexico portion was better. However, I do know that the scenery in New Mexico was great and Day 10 from Chama, NM to Eagle Nest, NM was one of my favorite days of the entire ride.

The route through Texas was good with almost 100% of it having a shoulder. From Oklahoma to the Atlantic Ocean is where the routing gets tricky. It's difficult to find shoulders out there and it seemed like half of the shoulders that did exist were rendered useless by rumble strips. This is where you have to strike a balance between riding a straight line from town to town vs. adding mileage and riding on lower-traffic roads. I did a decent job at it. There were only two days where I was unhappy with the route and wished I had avoided the highway a little more.

Now that it's all said and done, I am very happy with the route and would recommend it to anybody who is looking for an alternative to Adventure Cycling's routes.

Petoji.net has all the details.
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Old 09-24-15 | 08:41 AM
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In case anyone is interested, I ended up doing a route that was very similar to the one I originally posted and I was very happy with it.

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Petoji.net has all the details.
Ahh, a website is what you were after. Could've said that upfront.

Regardless, congrats on grinding out a hot & fast cross country tour.

What's the etymology of "petoji"?
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From the "About" section of the site:

Petoji is a bicycle ride across America in 2015. The ride starts in Pescadero, CA and finishes in Jekyll Island, GA (Petoji = PEscadero TO Jekyll Island).
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Congrats!

Very impressive --> 130 miles per day average. Nice work
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