In Olympic velodrome, what if someone started out fast?
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I take exception to your characterisation. I think I understand them just fine*, but simply believe a race where the competitors initially abhor the lead needs rules changes, just like basketball did (another game I understand just fine).
I notice btw that the longer track running events (5000m, 10000m) in the Olympics also suffer from a subtler version of this problem, with a pack running together and then making a break for it at the end--result being that records are not often broken or even approached. Again, then, they may as well just eliminate the portion of the event during which no one ever tries to make a move! Much more exciting are events like the 4x100, in which the Jamaican team just smashed a world record while in the same race the U.S. team tied the previous WR.
It's simple, really: for the vast majority of sports fans, it's much more enjoyable to watch a race in which the racers start off with their best effort, and continue it throughout. You're entitled to enjoy a different kind of race, just as I'm entitled not to. But don't fool yourself that if I or the vast majority I referred to only "understood" the match sprint better, we'd be enthralled. There's just not that much to understand. American football is an example of a sport that is truly complex and requires a steep learning curve to really "get". But c'mon: two guys on bikes racing around an oval? Only so complex that can be (although the track stand stuff does admittedly make it a little more complex than it might otherwise be, it's not in a good way when most people will just laugh at the sight of it).
*Note as proof of my understanding that without ever having seen it happen, I theorised that a potentially winning tactic could be to make a surprise move right at the beginning; and I was rewarded with a video (thanks, Dalai) which proved this hunch correct.
[T]he matched sprints you are struggling to understand
I take exception to your characterisation. I think I understand them just fine*, but simply believe a race where the competitors initially abhor the lead needs rules changes, just like basketball did (another game I understand just fine).
I notice btw that the longer track running events (5000m, 10000m) in the Olympics also suffer from a subtler version of this problem, with a pack running together and then making a break for it at the end--result being that records are not often broken or even approached. Again, then, they may as well just eliminate the portion of the event during which no one ever tries to make a move! Much more exciting are events like the 4x100, in which the Jamaican team just smashed a world record while in the same race the U.S. team tied the previous WR.
It's simple, really: for the vast majority of sports fans, it's much more enjoyable to watch a race in which the racers start off with their best effort, and continue it throughout. You're entitled to enjoy a different kind of race, just as I'm entitled not to. But don't fool yourself that if I or the vast majority I referred to only "understood" the match sprint better, we'd be enthralled. There's just not that much to understand. American football is an example of a sport that is truly complex and requires a steep learning curve to really "get". But c'mon: two guys on bikes racing around an oval? Only so complex that can be (although the track stand stuff does admittedly make it a little more complex than it might otherwise be, it's not in a good way when most people will just laugh at the sight of it).
*Note as proof of my understanding that without ever having seen it happen, I theorised that a potentially winning tactic could be to make a surprise move right at the beginning; and I was rewarded with a video (thanks, Dalai) which proved this hunch correct.
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TIL,
We only need three track events: Six Day, Individual Pursuit, and Scratch. Everything else is a waste of spectators' time.
We only need three track events: Six Day, Individual Pursuit, and Scratch. Everything else is a waste of spectators' time.
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I take exception to your characterisation. I think I understand them just fine*, but simply believe a race where the competitors initially abhor the lead needs rules changes, just like basketball did (another game I understand just fine).
I notice btw that the longer track running events (5000m, 10000m) in the Olympics also suffer from a subtler version of this problem, with a pack running together and then making a break for it at the end--result being that records are not often broken or even approached.
I notice btw that the longer track running events (5000m, 10000m) in the Olympics also suffer from a subtler version of this problem, with a pack running together and then making a break for it at the end--result being that records are not often broken or even approached.
It's simple, really: for the vast majority of sports fans, it's much more enjoyable to watch a race in which the racers start off with their best effort, and continue it throughout. You're entitled to enjoy a different kind of race, just as I'm entitled not to. But don't fool yourself that if I or the vast majority I referred to only "understood" the match sprint better, we'd be enthralled.
The Miss and Out is another race where you generally don't want to be near the front until the last 5-7 laps or so, but it's extremely popular with crowds. There's lots of suspense and tension, but unless you know the riders really well, you can't tell who's winning until very close to the end. It's a race where tactical ability far outweighs speed.
It's all about crossing the line first after they ring the bell, not getting the fastest time. If it were about the fastest time it would be a TT, and they could stop after the flying 200. It's really more an issue of taste in sports. You don't seem to have interest in races that have game elements. Many people do.
We should talk about sailboat racing next. Lots of people seem to watch the America's Cup races where you can't even tell who's leading much of the time.
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I notice btw that the longer track running events (5000m, 10000m) in the Olympics also suffer from a subtler version of this problem, with a pack running together and then making a break for it at the end--result being that records are not often broken or even approached. Again, then, they may as well just eliminate the portion of the event during which no one ever tries to make a move! Much more exciting are events like the 4x100, in which the Jamaican team just smashed a world record while in the same race the U.S. team tied the previous WR.
It's simple, really: for the vast majority of sports fans, it's much more enjoyable to watch a race in which the racers start off with their best effort, and continue it throughout. *
I notice btw that the longer track running events (5000m, 10000m) in the Olympics also suffer from a subtler version of this problem, with a pack running together and then making a break for it at the end--result being that records are not often broken or even approached. Again, then, they may as well just eliminate the portion of the event during which no one ever tries to make a move! Much more exciting are events like the 4x100, in which the Jamaican team just smashed a world record while in the same race the U.S. team tied the previous WR.
It's simple, really: for the vast majority of sports fans, it's much more enjoyable to watch a race in which the racers start off with their best effort, and continue it throughout. *
What you are proposing is a recipe for monotony and repetition. If that's what floats your boat, great. But allow those of us with more sophisticated tastes to have fun, too?
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