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This pedal is a couple years older with many more miles (still in perfect working condition):
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
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#452
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Dude, 6700's right here for $106 bucks: https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/u...s/rp-prod67248
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The benefits would be:
- Improved pedal body cover, from plastic to metal.
- Bigger platform for the foot with the newer bodies.
- You can easily install straps if you are a sprinter.
You don't have to get Ultegra. You can get 105s, too. But, the cut-outs don't exist for you to easily add straps.
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Keep your eyes open for euro store specials. I got my Ultegras for $75 from Wiggle I think
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/KMC-10R-BICY...item5afa4049d6
Will one of these work on a regular kmc z410 chain?
I want the quick-release so I can regularly wax my chain.
Or is there another chain/setup that I should be looking at for that purpose.
Will one of these work on a regular kmc z410 chain?
I want the quick-release so I can regularly wax my chain.
Or is there another chain/setup that I should be looking at for that purpose.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/KMC-10R-BICY...item5afa4049d6
Will one of these work on a regular kmc z410 chain?
I want the quick-release so I can regularly wax my chain.
Or is there another chain/setup that I should be looking at for that purpose.
Will one of these work on a regular kmc z410 chain?
I want the quick-release so I can regularly wax my chain.
Or is there another chain/setup that I should be looking at for that purpose.
Just buy a new quality single-speed chain with the assigned quick-release master link already in the box.
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So most of the singlespeed chains will have a master that comes off quickly?
I'm looking at either a kmc z410 or thought about maybe getting the charge masher.
Trying to find something reasonable on city grounds or retro, as I need to order a stem as well
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Of all the things on your bike, you don't want to skimp on the chain.
I've never used the Z410 or Charge Masher, so read reviews or ask for opinions. The key is to buy a quality chain that won't stretch. A chain that has stretched will grind down your more expensive chainrings and cogs and shorten their lives significantly.
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I found I own a pair of Shimano pedals that look like Look pedals. Are they SPD-SL? If I remember right, SPD-SL and Look look similar but are not interchangeable. Do I remmeber right?
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#460
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The very old shimanos were identical to Look Delta ("old" Look). Newer shimanos (see my previous post) use a totally different cleat than Looks of all types.
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
#461
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I have some SPD-Rs and then transitioned to SPD-SL. I remember Shimano producing a delta compatable cleat between those two. Was the cleat you speak of prior to the SPD-R era?
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#462
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Nevermind. I forgot all about the fact that Shimano licensed Look's road pedal design and even had Look building them, in the early 90's before they introduced SPDR in '96.
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Track sprinters then wept.
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Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
#464
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Anyhow. Yes, SPD-R are probably the top of foot retention while remaining releasable. I still have some DA SPD-Rs in a box in the garage. I will say though, since moving to SPD-L I have not fallen on my side once for inability to remove my foot after coming to a full stop without having previously thought about it. Where, there were a few times with SPD-R where it just wasn't coming out unless thought about and performed well in advance.
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There exists a video where Armstrong unclipped during the start of a TDF time trial. Maybe 2005? Not sure which pedals he was using.
I'm using my phone now. Will link it later.
I'm using my phone now. Will link it later.
#466
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I can't find the clip right now and I don't remember the year. But, I remember one of the monument climbs on the TDF where LA was suffering cleat issues and his foot kept slipping out. I believe that was on SPD-R and it was after that that LA refused to use the system. But, I may very well be incorrect on this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyhow. Yes, SPD-R are probably the top of foot retention while remaining releasable. I still have some DA SPD-Rs in a box in the garage. I will say though, since moving to SPD-L I have not fallen on my side once for inability to remove my foot after coming to a full stop without having previously thought about it. Where, there were a few times with SPD-R where it just wasn't coming out unless thought about and performed well in advance.
Anyhow. Yes, SPD-R are probably the top of foot retention while remaining releasable. I still have some DA SPD-Rs in a box in the garage. I will say though, since moving to SPD-L I have not fallen on my side once for inability to remove my foot after coming to a full stop without having previously thought about it. Where, there were a few times with SPD-R where it just wasn't coming out unless thought about and performed well in advance.
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This is the instance I was thinking of:
Crash at 00:40 and then pedal issue at 1:40.
Crash at 00:40 and then pedal issue at 1:40.
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Back to small, random track related questions:
Do my old, used, Dura-Ace SPD-R pedals have any value to speak of? Or, have sprinters all found suitable alternatives at this point?
Do my old, used, Dura-Ace SPD-R pedals have any value to speak of? Or, have sprinters all found suitable alternatives at this point?
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Most sprinters seem to be happy affixing straps to SPD-SL and LOOK Keo Max 2 systems being that they can easily find shoes, cleats, and pedals.
For those not familiar:
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Do we have a Track Racing Classifieds?
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Actually, just last week I asked the Admins to allow us to have a Track-specific classifieds section. They are considering it but no decision has been made.
#473
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Sorry, the adapter plates I have are Sidi specific. But, it appears as though the Shimano ones are still available:
https://www.evanscycles.com/products/...apter-ec041627
Because "small, random, track-related questions" might draw some newer riders who aren't familliar with what we're talking about.
A complete set of Shimano "SPD-R" pedals, cleats and Sidi adapter plates:
[IMG][/IMG]
You can see how the adapter plate sits in a recess in the sole of the old Sidi shoe: (In this case, a 3 bolt adapter with SPD-SL mounted. Not the distance between aft bolts and rear lip for later reference.)
[IMG][/IMG]
Where the SPD/SPD-R plate would go:
[IMG][/IMG]
On the plate goes, first the sponson, then the sponson holding cleat spacer:
[IMG][/IMG]
The cleat rests on top of that:
[IMG][/IMG]
And the bolts hold it all together:
[IMG][/IMG]
What is really great about this cleat design is that because it is entirely metal there is no forward compression of the toe area that results in decreased rear engagement. And, that there is no overhanging loaded plastic as there is in the SPD-SL and Look cleats. Furthermore, there's no appreciable wear to the metal trailing edge of cleat as there frequently is with the plastic cleats.
If you look closely at my SPD-SL cleats that are moved all the way after you can see how much unsupported plastic there is from the bolt heads to the actual lip. As one drives the shoe forward and down this allows the lip to flex down as the heal is lifted, shortening the distance between the trailing edge of the cleat and the forward face of the cleat. While simultaneously the forward face of the cleat will be getting compressed at the front of the pedal. The result is, POP, out comes your foot.
The all metal SPD-R design eliminates these issues. But, substitutes some of it's own: narrower foot contact zone, reduced ease of walking and while crisper also a less easy release. It's not tolerant of quick flick exits when one has stalled without previously unclipping. Such as track standing at stop lights. Subsequently, quite a few people fell over with their feet still attached and the pedals got a bum wrap for being overly retentive.
https://www.evanscycles.com/products/...apter-ec041627
Because "small, random, track-related questions" might draw some newer riders who aren't familliar with what we're talking about.
A complete set of Shimano "SPD-R" pedals, cleats and Sidi adapter plates:
[IMG][/IMG]
You can see how the adapter plate sits in a recess in the sole of the old Sidi shoe: (In this case, a 3 bolt adapter with SPD-SL mounted. Not the distance between aft bolts and rear lip for later reference.)
[IMG][/IMG]
Where the SPD/SPD-R plate would go:
[IMG][/IMG]
On the plate goes, first the sponson, then the sponson holding cleat spacer:
[IMG][/IMG]
The cleat rests on top of that:
[IMG][/IMG]
And the bolts hold it all together:
[IMG][/IMG]
What is really great about this cleat design is that because it is entirely metal there is no forward compression of the toe area that results in decreased rear engagement. And, that there is no overhanging loaded plastic as there is in the SPD-SL and Look cleats. Furthermore, there's no appreciable wear to the metal trailing edge of cleat as there frequently is with the plastic cleats.
If you look closely at my SPD-SL cleats that are moved all the way after you can see how much unsupported plastic there is from the bolt heads to the actual lip. As one drives the shoe forward and down this allows the lip to flex down as the heal is lifted, shortening the distance between the trailing edge of the cleat and the forward face of the cleat. While simultaneously the forward face of the cleat will be getting compressed at the front of the pedal. The result is, POP, out comes your foot.
The all metal SPD-R design eliminates these issues. But, substitutes some of it's own: narrower foot contact zone, reduced ease of walking and while crisper also a less easy release. It's not tolerant of quick flick exits when one has stalled without previously unclipping. Such as track standing at stop lights. Subsequently, quite a few people fell over with their feet still attached and the pedals got a bum wrap for being overly retentive.
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#474
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so, in case I hypothetically have an Actual Pile of these sitting around- who actually wants a pair or three?
(cause you know, I maybe have access to a pile of these things)
I don't know a single racer who still uses them, even the old guard around here switched a year or two ago.
(cause you know, I maybe have access to a pile of these things)
I don't know a single racer who still uses them, even the old guard around here switched a year or two ago.
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I am having a hard time finding a decent selection of 31.8 track drops, found one pair of Nitto B123AA but they are special ordered and everything else is all 40-42CM or insanely heavy.
Is 25.6 pretty much the norm for track?
Is 25.6 pretty much the norm for track?