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Sports Nutritionist
With so much conflicting information on the interwebs about diet, nutrition and dieting, I'm considering a sports nutritionist.
Has anyone used one?
Has anyone used one?
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You might get this out in front of more members if you post in the Road Bike or General sub-forum! <GRIN>
Your audience here might be fewer people. So less chance of finding those who have used a sports nutritionist. And just as much chance of hearing all the bias of each of us!
Mostly I'm just funning with you since I saw this in the road bike forum. And you seemed to abandon that at the first suggestion replied.
Your audience here might be fewer people. So less chance of finding those who have used a sports nutritionist. And just as much chance of hearing all the bias of each of us!
Mostly I'm just funning with you since I saw this in the road bike forum. And you seemed to abandon that at the first suggestion replied.
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I get a lot of good science-based advice from Andrew Huberman podcast. He is about as objective as I have found. There are always conflicting opinions even in well reviewed science. Even nutritionists have changed their opinions and recommendations as understanding has progressed.
Here is one you might enjoy.
Here is one you might enjoy.
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No, though I've read the usual books which didn't seem to tell me anything I didn't already know.
I don't think it's that complicated. We're not that different from the usual suspects. What works for most folks in terms of health and longevity should work for us. Thus: either the DASH or Med diet. Those diets have produced the best results in long term tests. Use olive oil where appropriate. And on the bike, consume half your kJ in carbs. I've had the best results taking in small quantities every 15' - 30'. The harder I go, the more frequently I have something. Except never just before or during a pass climb. Eat at the top. Otherwise on the bike keep the osmolality of what you consume low. Getting it across the stomach wall is half the battle.
Dieting is easy in concept. Eat normally, just less. There doesn't seem to be any method other that for which results stay good after a year of doing whatever that was. It's a long race, adopt a moderate pace.
Protein: Lots of controversy there, I think because athletes vary in terms of age, sport, practice, and metabolism. Getting a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel done once a year will tell you if you're getting too much. My wife and I have taken about 40g of whey in divided doses throughout the day for many years. Seems about right for us with our plant-based diet.
Supplements: I don't think any nutritionist in their right mind would recommend anything because there's like zero unbiased testing for that stuff. That said, I use quite a few supplements, some of which don't seem to do much, others quite the opposite. But that's just for me, not necessarily for thee.
I don't think it's that complicated. We're not that different from the usual suspects. What works for most folks in terms of health and longevity should work for us. Thus: either the DASH or Med diet. Those diets have produced the best results in long term tests. Use olive oil where appropriate. And on the bike, consume half your kJ in carbs. I've had the best results taking in small quantities every 15' - 30'. The harder I go, the more frequently I have something. Except never just before or during a pass climb. Eat at the top. Otherwise on the bike keep the osmolality of what you consume low. Getting it across the stomach wall is half the battle.
Dieting is easy in concept. Eat normally, just less. There doesn't seem to be any method other that for which results stay good after a year of doing whatever that was. It's a long race, adopt a moderate pace.
Protein: Lots of controversy there, I think because athletes vary in terms of age, sport, practice, and metabolism. Getting a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel done once a year will tell you if you're getting too much. My wife and I have taken about 40g of whey in divided doses throughout the day for many years. Seems about right for us with our plant-based diet.
Supplements: I don't think any nutritionist in their right mind would recommend anything because there's like zero unbiased testing for that stuff. That said, I use quite a few supplements, some of which don't seem to do much, others quite the opposite. But that's just for me, not necessarily for thee.
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No, though I've read the usual books which didn't seem to tell me anything I didn't already know.
I don't think it's that complicated. We're not that different from the usual suspects. What works for most folks in terms of health and longevity should work for us. Thus: either the DASH or Med diet. Those diets have produced the best results in long term tests. Use olive oil where appropriate. And on the bike, consume half your kJ in carbs. I've had the best results taking in small quantities every 15' - 30'. The harder I go, the more frequently I have something. Except never just before or during a pass climb. Eat at the top. Otherwise on the bike keep the osmolality of what you consume low. Getting it across the stomach wall is half the battle.
Dieting is easy in concept. Eat normally, just less. There doesn't seem to be any method other that for which results stay good after a year of doing whatever that was. It's a long race, adopt a moderate pace.
Protein: Lots of controversy there, I think because athletes vary in terms of age, sport, practice, and metabolism. Getting a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel done once a year will tell you if you're getting too much. My wife and I have taken about 40g of whey in divided doses throughout the day for many years. Seems about right for us with our plant-based diet.
Supplements: I don't think any nutritionist in their right mind would recommend anything because there's like zero unbiased testing for that stuff. That said, I use quite a few supplements, some of which don't seem to do much, others quite the opposite. But that's just for me, not necessarily for thee.
I don't think it's that complicated. We're not that different from the usual suspects. What works for most folks in terms of health and longevity should work for us. Thus: either the DASH or Med diet. Those diets have produced the best results in long term tests. Use olive oil where appropriate. And on the bike, consume half your kJ in carbs. I've had the best results taking in small quantities every 15' - 30'. The harder I go, the more frequently I have something. Except never just before or during a pass climb. Eat at the top. Otherwise on the bike keep the osmolality of what you consume low. Getting it across the stomach wall is half the battle.
Dieting is easy in concept. Eat normally, just less. There doesn't seem to be any method other that for which results stay good after a year of doing whatever that was. It's a long race, adopt a moderate pace.
Protein: Lots of controversy there, I think because athletes vary in terms of age, sport, practice, and metabolism. Getting a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel done once a year will tell you if you're getting too much. My wife and I have taken about 40g of whey in divided doses throughout the day for many years. Seems about right for us with our plant-based diet.
Supplements: I don't think any nutritionist in their right mind would recommend anything because there's like zero unbiased testing for that stuff. That said, I use quite a few supplements, some of which don't seem to do much, others quite the opposite. But that's just for me, not necessarily for thee.
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Sports nutrition seems to me like a coaching specialty: stuff about race fueling and periodizing diet for a competitive training schedule, rather than a primary focus on long term health. If performance isn’t your primary goal, I think a good registered dietician might be a better bet.
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As one can surmise from the varied views of folks on this forum, exercise and how that's done is much more effective at getting one in shape than is any particular diet - as long as one is not doing some fairly elite bike racing. The further up the slope one is, the more important tiny things become, including small difference in exercise modality. I've gotten good results simply by increasing my mileage, say 5000 miles/year, Z2 during the week, +2 gym days, then one murderous 4 hour competitive group ride on Sunday. You do that, it kinda doesn't matter what you eat as long as what you eat allows you to do that. That's the trick. That said, the diet I advocate above will do that. I also know a fast woman whose favorite recovery meal is steak and wine. So there's that. As an after-ride pain solvent, I prefer beer, which one is also warned against.
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I have two specific challenges I’d like to address. Avoiding diabetes as our family has a predisposition toward it at older ages. The other is the balance of calories and ingredients since my cycling output varies so much on a daily basis (2 60+ mile rides per week).
I know you can’t eat your way to health, but you sure can eat your way to poor health.
I know you can’t eat your way to health, but you sure can eat your way to poor health.
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My wife and I have been using one since August of last year that was referred to us by a member of our racing team. The advice/nutrition plan has been a game changer for us improving our body composition, recovery, strength, endurance, power, weight and blood metrics as well as other matters.
Getting into a specific nutrition program with objective feedback based upon blood metrics, body composition and performance is something one has to try to see if it works for the individual.
Getting into a specific nutrition program with objective feedback based upon blood metrics, body composition and performance is something one has to try to see if it works for the individual.
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Meet me at spin class!!!!
i've see a nutritionist which my health insurance paid for. i learned a lot!
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I have The Cyclist's Food Guide by Nancy Clark, MS, RD and Jenny Hegmann, MS, RD. It might be of interest.to you.
https://www.amazon.com/Cyclists-Food.../dp/0971891125
https://www.amazon.com/Cyclists-Food.../dp/0971891125
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My wife and I have been using one since August of last year that was referred to us by a member of our racing team. The advice/nutrition plan has been a game changer for us improving our body composition, recovery, strength, endurance, power, weight and blood metrics as well as other matters.
Getting into a specific nutrition program with objective feedback based upon blood metrics, body composition and performance is something one has to try to see if it works for the individual.
Getting into a specific nutrition program with objective feedback based upon blood metrics, body composition and performance is something one has to try to see if it works for the individual.
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No, though I've read the usual books which didn't seem to tell me anything I didn't already know.
I don't think it's that complicated. We're not that different from the usual suspects. What works for most folks in terms of health and longevity should work for us. Thus: either the DASH or Med diet. Those diets have produced the best results in long term tests. Use olive oil where appropriate. And on the bike, consume half your kJ in carbs. I've had the best results taking in small quantities every 15' - 30'. The harder I go, the more frequently I have something. Except never just before or during a pass climb. Eat at the top. Otherwise on the bike keep the osmolality of what you consume low. Getting it across the stomach wall is half the battle.
Dieting is easy in concept. Eat normally, just less. There doesn't seem to be any method other that for which results stay good after a year of doing whatever that was. It's a long race, adopt a moderate pace.
Protein: Lots of controversy there, I think because athletes vary in terms of age, sport, practice, and metabolism. Getting a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel done once a year will tell you if you're getting too much. My wife and I have taken about 40g of whey in divided doses throughout the day for many years. Seems about right for us with our plant-based diet.
Supplements: I don't think any nutritionist in their right mind would recommend anything because there's like zero unbiased testing for that stuff. Also, I take mullein leaf which is totally organic and good for raspiratory health. It's very important to take care of the lungs and cleanse your respiratory system, and it naturally supports it. That said, I use quite a few supplements, some of which don't seem to do much, others quite the opposite. But that's just for me, not necessarily for thee.
I don't think it's that complicated. We're not that different from the usual suspects. What works for most folks in terms of health and longevity should work for us. Thus: either the DASH or Med diet. Those diets have produced the best results in long term tests. Use olive oil where appropriate. And on the bike, consume half your kJ in carbs. I've had the best results taking in small quantities every 15' - 30'. The harder I go, the more frequently I have something. Except never just before or during a pass climb. Eat at the top. Otherwise on the bike keep the osmolality of what you consume low. Getting it across the stomach wall is half the battle.
Dieting is easy in concept. Eat normally, just less. There doesn't seem to be any method other that for which results stay good after a year of doing whatever that was. It's a long race, adopt a moderate pace.
Protein: Lots of controversy there, I think because athletes vary in terms of age, sport, practice, and metabolism. Getting a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel done once a year will tell you if you're getting too much. My wife and I have taken about 40g of whey in divided doses throughout the day for many years. Seems about right for us with our plant-based diet.
Supplements: I don't think any nutritionist in their right mind would recommend anything because there's like zero unbiased testing for that stuff. Also, I take mullein leaf which is totally organic and good for raspiratory health. It's very important to take care of the lungs and cleanse your respiratory system, and it naturally supports it. That said, I use quite a few supplements, some of which don't seem to do much, others quite the opposite. But that's just for me, not necessarily for thee.
I want to try some new supplements which are organic, and I don't know if there is a need.
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Google and read studies. Some studies are reliable, some not. If the study was done by the folks who make the supplement, maybe yes, maybe no. I've seen both. Doctors will almost always say they don't work because they're scientists first and ignore everything that hasn't been certified by reliable authority, which in their profession is a good idea. Almost all supplements are in a gray area because everything is all about the money, right? So I read what I can find and experiment on myself, see if I notice a difference. The tricky part is that some supplements take months or years to show an effect. IOW now that one's knees are all messed up is a little late to look for a fix. So there's that.
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Nutrition is a very controversial subject. Personally, I am extremely skeptical of all studies. For one thing it's important to know how to evaluate studies. For another many of the nutrition studies have flawed data from the start just by the nature of nutrition survey studies.. I looked at one not long ago that was interesting because it had a large number of participants over more than 10 years. When I looked into how the information was gathered it consisted of 2 surveys taken by telephone one at the beginning and one at the end. There is no way the average person will accurately report on their diet by such a survey.
For another thing, long term accurate studies just aren't going to be done with the goal of determining the proper human diet. These type studies would take millions of research dollars with no payoff in the end except a list of foods to eat. Studies are funded by people interested in making money on a product and so that will be the goal.
IMHO
Some of the best information we have on a proper human diet would have to come from blue zone studies.
For another thing, long term accurate studies just aren't going to be done with the goal of determining the proper human diet. These type studies would take millions of research dollars with no payoff in the end except a list of foods to eat. Studies are funded by people interested in making money on a product and so that will be the goal.
IMHO
Some of the best information we have on a proper human diet would have to come from blue zone studies.
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Nutrition is a very controversial subject. Personally, I am extremely skeptical of all studies. For one thing it's important to know how to evaluate studies. For another many of the nutrition studies have flawed data from the start just by the nature of nutrition survey studies.. I looked at one not long ago that was interesting because it had a large number of participants over more than 10 years. When I looked into how the information was gathered it consisted of 2 surveys taken by telephone one at the beginning and one at the end. There is no way the average person will accurately report on their diet by such a survey.
For another thing, long term accurate studies just aren't going to be done with the goal of determining the proper human diet. These type studies would take millions of research dollars with no payoff in the end except a list of foods to eat. Studies are funded by people interested in making money on a product and so that will be the goal.
IMHO
Some of the best information we have on a proper human diet would have to come from blue zone studies.
For another thing, long term accurate studies just aren't going to be done with the goal of determining the proper human diet. These type studies would take millions of research dollars with no payoff in the end except a list of foods to eat. Studies are funded by people interested in making money on a product and so that will be the goal.
IMHO
Some of the best information we have on a proper human diet would have to come from blue zone studies.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/blu...isinformation/
Some folks at JAMA looked at all the nutritional studies published there over the past few years and found that 83% were contaminated by researcher bias. That said, that still leaves the 17%! Helps to read a lot of studies and look at the authors' admissions of bias.
Another interesting factor is that real science involves disproving what was previously known, thus the goal of every scientist is to have their theories disproven. And that happens with fair regularity in the nutrition field as we have seen over the decades.
That said, mostly plant based diets like DASH and Med have the best records in terms of staying out of the hospital, especially when combined with aerobic exercise, though there are no guarantees.
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