Of you really believe this, your CNS needs more than stimulation. Probably a complete overhaul.

IT DOES. Where not talking massive amounts here, small increments.

You can't push harder gears, the resistance can't come from there... The power will tail off...

Go back to the dumbells.

Load them with more & more weight. What do you find?, the speed of the movement decreases due to the added resistance, which results in the power tailoring off.

You can't shift to a higher gear on the bike becuase the dumbells tell you, the slower the movements (Higher gears), the slower the power output, the slower at which your brain is telling you to fire that punch.

You are wrong. One gear harder is a small increment of extra force that you have to push.

You clearly have no idea the relationship between speed and power. I'm done here.

VERY nicely stated! I couldn't agree more. If you have nothing to add, why bother?

I hope this thread never ends.

No, the gear differential is far too large when in the power spot.

umd.... You advised me shift to a higher gear (resistance) & that leg speed must remain constant. BUT IT DOESN'T REMAIN CONSTANT. I've shifted higher. I've just taken away powers most important principal, speed. So where does the resistance come from?, if not from shifting higher which will inturn decrease my leg speed (power). You have to look to different methods. Do you understand?

This was Bruce Lee's holy grail. Example.

umd Vs Bruce Lee in a contest to see who can push out the fastest punch? & the fastest kick? (Power). Who wins? Obviously Bruce Lee. WHY. hes developed his central nervous system, his brain to a far greater extreme degree in training. Its the same principal but your pushing the crank.

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Go back to the dumbell example I gave you.

I said 20 reps.

Right, your not hanging around at 20 reps. Your going to go on & do 30, 40, 50 upto 100 reps over the course of a week. Wait a minute???...this is getting easy. INCREASE THE RESISTANCE OF THE DUMBELLS. Go again, same reps, higher resistance, another week. Whats happening to the power & speed, its increasing, your increasing the stimulation of the central nervous system. Same principal for the bike, same prinicpal for pushing the cranks.

I find it hard to believe that *****3nin.vend3t really does not understand the basics of how cadence, resistance and power are related.

1. When cadence is increased and resistance is constant, then power increases.
2. When resistance is increased and power is constant, cadence decreases.
3. When resistance is increased and cadence is constant, power increases.

He needs to accept these facts, get over his Bruce Lee idolization and join the real world.

Correct.


Wrong!.

Now #4.

4. When resistance increases & the cadence decreases, POWER DECREASES.




I was advised, shift to a higher gear (resistance) & that leg speed must remain constant. BUT IT DOESN'T REMAIN CONSTANT. I've shifted higher. I've just taken away powers most important principal, speed.<<<< 4. When resistance increases & the cadence decreases, POWER DECREASES.

No, you've misunderstood what was said because you've taken it out of context. You said that riding a heavier bike is a better workout. Several people, including umd, said that you could just ride the lighter bike but ride it faster and that all that mattered was the effort you were putting out (measured in power).

If riding the light bike and you want to make the workout harder, you could get a heavier bike and try to ride it the same speed you did on the light bike (and when you can do that you've gained power)...OR...you can just stay on your light bike and shift to a higher gear to increase the resistance and work at that until you can pedal the bike at the same cadence you used to in a lower gear (which would mean you've gained power).

No it doesn't. One can be putting out the same amount of power in whatever gear (resistance) they choose. Cadence will change, that's all. You agreed with #2 posted by kuf, right? Then you can't believe in your #4.

Sorry, that is not correct. Increase resistance one million times, and decrease cadence by .01%. Power obviously increases.

Please don't

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*****3nin.vend3t and UMD,

you two are welcome to join me for dinner or a ride any time. (just please come as a pair)

If you read Kung Fu Magazine, Fisting Fighters Quarterly, MAD, and Tao of the Crouching Zohan Monthly, like ***** does, you would all know that to truly achieve greatness your central nervous system must be trained to ignore the laws of Physics and the Universe. You must also train your cerebral cortex to block logic and reason.

I boxed for several years and your little 3lb punch excersize does nothing to support your case. You are buying into a bunch of craptastic macho BS based on the lure of the superhuman powers that must be just beyond that next workout. Mind over matter, "Neo, there is no spoon" blah blah.

The "feeling" of speed has nothing to do with the reality of speed and power. You are not training your "central nervous system", you are straining your musculature to develop the fast twitch muscles better. If you used 35lb weights you'd also "feel faster" but you would not be even after much training. Striking power comes from muscle strength, weight transfer and a high degree of technique. Technique is paramount in effectively using weight and strength to transmit the power fully. Training repetetively and strenuously to increase physical capacity is where strength, power, endurance all lie. Not in the mysterious training of the central nervous system to ignore physics and physiology.

You're happy to remain in Plato's cave but I guess that's complicated and you just really wouldn't understand since you've trained your central nervous system to see the truth in the shadows.

Right... Remember, Our goal is speed & power. To achieve that goal to a far greater degree, you have to stimulate your central nervous system. Now, riding a lighter bike, but faster, is going to do wonders for VO2, ability to uptake more oxygen, strength endurance etc BUT nothing for increasing/progressing the stimulation of the central nervous system (Speed & Power) to the extent of the guys who developed this ability to greatness. The weight of the bike (resistance) remains constant. Why can't the resistance come from shifting higher???... Because we sacrifice power/cadence. This constant weight isn't stimulating/progressing a new nervous system response. The response can't be enhanced when power lowers through (higher shifts).

Example.

I'm 6 months away from race day or a classic. 6 months. Right, I'm an already accomplished rider. I'm in week 1 (of the 6 months) & I implement 3lb's of resistance to the bike<< Stimulating the nervous system. NOW REMEMBER, When we ride, where not decreasing the power output, where not decreasing the speed output BUT we have implemented a small amount of resistance which we need to train our central nervous system to overcome & register through means of training harder. Why can't the resistance come from shifting higher???... Because we sacrifice leg speed/cadence & ultimately power.

Week 2. I implement a further small 1lb of resistance adding it too the 3lbs already there. New stimulation. NOW... where going towards Bruce Lees awesome power & speed of thinking. Where heading in the right direction. Suddenly where 5 months up the road & we have managed to add a considerable amount of resistance over the period.

Its race day. Right, we jump off our heavily resisted training bike & onto the paper mache bike. What are you bringing to the table???... Your brain. Its firing the same signals that were used/needed to power the heavy bike. What do we see. A far greater reserve pool, more matches to burn on the paper mache bike. You've done the training, now your advanced, you have developed the central nervous system to an extent that the muscles fire at much greater speeds/strengths (Speed & Power). Now we can hang with Bruce Lee.

What I'm implementing is a tough pill to swallow to what is already a very tough sport. But the increments are small, the training is hard. Once that stimulation has been learn't, right, new increment, its small, its stimulating further, the training remains hard & it remains hard forever. You forever putting a huge burden on the nervous system but the result we see is that it makes competition easier. Resistance needs to be added, but not at the expense of a decrease in cadence (power), for us to see an enhanced stimulation of the nervous system.

And could it be, the greats of yesteryear adopted the same principals.

Don't argue with Bruce Lee's speed/power & strength. You'll look stupid.

NO! A higher shift doesn't come via .01%. Its far greater (A loss in power).This higher % will see a decreased stimulation.

Fixed

It's not worth arguing with idiots. I've given up. I've gotten many PM's from people that agree with me/us but also said I'm foolish to continue to discussion with someone who can't see reason.

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The bike in the original post looks like the one Heinz Stucke used on his world tour. Think his was made from the same material too, very heavy. He pushed it up the hills though.

If you really want a heavier bike like that and cannot find one on ebay, just get a few panniers on your regular bike and fill them to the brim. That'll add a few kilo's on.