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Originally Posted by late
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1) The best exercise is the one you'll actually do. |
Originally Posted by StanSeven
(Post 13524331)
Look at what the current top cyclists do instead of what Joe Friel advoactes. You realize he's promoting the same things for the last 20 years despite scientific evidence shows it is not the best
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Gonna give me more ideas for what I can do at home. |
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Originally Posted by kbro1986
(Post 13536810)
Holy Balls! Take a look at those step ups!?!? That is the best cyclist ever doing strength training. I think that gives us an answer, however I have personally always included strength training...notice how he emphasizes his core during every exercise....
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If ALL you want to do is be a competitive cyclist, weight training may not help or may even diminish performance. If, however like most of us, cycling is a fun, and important part of an overall healthy lifestyle, then your overall health and fitness will most certainly benefit from swimming as well as weight training. Running is just too hard on the joints and I don't recommend anyone do it - at least not extreme distance running. Everyone should be fit enough to run 1-3 miles at a sub 7 minute mile pace.
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Originally Posted by bassjones
(Post 13538702)
If ALL you want to do is be a competitive cyclist, weight training may not help or may even diminish performance.
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Originally Posted by kbro1986
(Post 13539415)
Then please tell me why top coaches/trainers include weight training in their plans? And please tell me why world-class competitive cyclists use some sort of weight routine to prepare for their season?
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Originally Posted by kbro1986
(Post 13539415)
Then please tell me why top coaches/trainers include weight training in their plans? And please tell me why world-class competitive cyclists use some sort of weight routine to prepare for their season?
At the end of the day it's a personal decision that may be appropriate if you are strength limited. Most people aren't strength limited for cycling which explains why it is so difficult for researchers to show any performance benefits from weight training. Contrast the effects of weight training to that of interval training. There are dozens of studies quantifying the performance benefits of doing intervals. The evidence supporting weight training is equivocal at best unless you are an older cyclist. |
Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 13540007)
The evidence supporting weight training is equivocal at best unless you are an older cyclist.
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Originally Posted by camelopardalis
(Post 13540099)
Particularly in the hills. Not at all in the flats.
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Originally Posted by asgelle
(Post 13540146)
Have you thought about what's different between hills and flats (assuming you're properly geared)?
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It definitely helps but I expect the primary concern others will mention is related to the misconception that everyone who strength trains will bulk up.
Added weight being adverse to climbing. I strength train 4-5 times a week and weigh 149 lbs. I tend to ride off the front on climbs with my friends and I barely train to climb. |
Originally Posted by camelopardalis
(Post 13540099)
So weight training is advisable for older cyclists? Good. This is something that I haven't read before in this forum. I do believe that resistance training is helping my cycling. Particularly in the hills. Not at all in the flats.
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
(Post 13540313)
It definitely helps but I expect the primary concern others will mention is related to the misconception that everyone who strength trains will bulk up.
Added weight being adverse to climbing. |
I was definitely strength limited. My sprinting still stinks but I fear that is a deficiency in tactics and technique.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 13540435)
Riding at low cadence up a hill requires more force on the pedals. If you're strength limited, hill climbing (and sprinting) will tend to show up those deficiencies. Riding the hills at a higher cadence (e.g. 90RPM) may help also.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 13540435)
Riding at low cadence up a hill requires more force on the pedals. If you're strength limited, hill climbing (and sprinting) will tend to show up those deficiencies.
If it's a matter of doing it at all, it's strength; if it's a matter of how long you can do it, it's power (aerobic or anaerobic depending on duration). |
Are we really sure that muscle bulk added through weight training is a hindrance in climbing? I think I have to dispute this. We're only talking about a few pounds, 10 or 15 in half a year if you really worked at it. More than that would take a dedicated, deliberate body building regimen which I think is beyond the scope here.
My understanding is that the 10 or 15 (more likely 5 or less) pounds is compensated by physical improvements. For those of us over 50 it's not only beneficial but necessary, unless you like to run (ugg) or spend a LOT of time walking. |
Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 13541579)
Are we really sure that muscle bulk added through weight training is a hindrance in climbing?
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Originally Posted by asgelle
(Post 13541595)
I am.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 13541650)
You're pretty old school about it if I read you right. It used to be accepted that weight training only added bulk and couldn't help, even hinder, skill performance. That's pretty much deprecated - there are strength training techniques even for endurance sports, including cycling.
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You, holding the contrarian position, should go first :)
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 13541729)
You, holding the contrarian position, should go first :)
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