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Running shoes
I used to do quite a bit of running and Im getting back into it. I have a pair of Asics and my first couple runs my feet are really sore, do I need better shoes and soles or is this just a product of being out of running shape?
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how old are your shoes? How well do they fit? I highly recommend you get fitted for a pair of shoes, you may spend more on shoes but your feet are well worth it :)
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The materials in the shoes naturally harden with age in just a couple of years or so. That's from time of manufacture, not how long you've worn them. Also, you should only expect 300-500 miles from a pair.
Are they real running shoes?. Some models sold through big box/department stores may look like running shoes but do not have the motion control/support/cushioning features of real running shoes. |
Originally Posted by runner pat
(Post 12643038)
The materials in the shoes naturally harden with age in just a couple of years or so. That's from time of manufacture, not how long you've worn them. Also, you should only expect 300-500 miles from a pair.
Are they real running shoes?. Some models sold through big box/department stores may look like running shoes but do not have the motion control/support/cushioning features of real running shoes. |
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What I'd recommend is that you go get shoes from an actual running store (not a dept store or a big box store) - they'll be able to look at your stride and set you up with the proper shoe.
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Originally Posted by runner pat
(Post 12643038)
Are they real running shoes?. Some models sold through big box/department stores may look like running shoes but do not have the motion control/support/cushioning features of real running shoes. |
Originally Posted by clink83
(Post 12647604)
You mean the "features" that cause injuries makes them real running shoes?
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Some people have the genetic ability to run barefoot without any support. If you can run barefoot without pain and injury, that's great. The rest of us need some sort of support.
There are a couple of shoe stores in my neighborhood that cater to runners. The employees are all runners and they won't sell you a pair of shoes unless you put them on and run around the parking lot while they observe your form. They also give you 30 days to exchange your shoes if they don't work out. OP, if your current shoes are causing pain, try a new pair. Find a store that will work with you to get shoes that won't cause you pain. |
I've never actually met/heard anyone who couldn't, at least not for genetic reasons. But anyway...
If you're set on shoes, definitely do as Cbad said. Don't let them sell you something without some sort of return policy. As far as I know, shoes are as personal as saddles. |
Asics running shoes are fine shoes, so long as they were made for running (vs. basketball), and do be sure they aren't older than a couple years, they will degrade over time. I get new shoes about every 2 years and I get about 500 miles on each pair.
Like a couple others have stated, barefooting is fine if you have the gait and body type for it, most of us don't. Best I can suggest if you want to try it is find a grass park or beach to experiment on, and work your way into asphalt. If you can comfortably do a mile or so then look into those faddish Vibram Five Fingers. To directly answer your original question - some of your discomfort is due to lack of use and will get better over time as long as you don't push too hard. Skin is not the only body part that develops callouses - your bones, muscles and even tendons need to adjust to the new routines you are pacing them through. |
Originally Posted by CbadRider
(Post 12648113)
Some people have the genetic ability to run barefoot without any support. If you can run barefoot without pain and injury, that's great. The rest of us need some sort of support.
There are a couple of shoe stores in my neighborhood that cater to runners. The employees are all runners and they won't sell you a pair of shoes unless you put them on and run around the parking lot while they observe your form. They also give you 30 days to exchange your shoes if they don't work out. OP, if your current shoes are causing pain, try a new pair. Find a store that will work with you to get shoes that won't cause you pain. |
Im with Oban, check out some minimalist shoes at the very least. Vibram FiveFingers are awesome, it's all I run in. The New Balance Minimus is also a good minimal shoe. Or barefoot. Naked is good.
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All you people advocating VFF or barefoot for a beginner runner are idiots. Besides the fact that they limit most people to extremely slow running speeds, if you don't have the mileage base already built up, and strong feet those shoes are a good way to get stress fractures or other injuries.
It's all about technique, not the type of shoes you wear. Having a flat heel and less padding is nice, but you can run with good technique in any shoes. Most minimalist shoes are scams anyways, they are lightweight shoes because all of the rubber has been removed from the soles, and they wear rapidly. |
Originally Posted by clink83
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There is not a single peer reviewed scientific study that has shown that running shoes PREVENT injury, or that "support" somehow prevents injuries. However, there are many studies that show that heavily padded shoes make you hit the ground harder, and shoes with a lot of ramp angle encourage heel striking, which can increase the impact of running 7x times. You don't need fancy support, you don't need motion control heels, and all that crap. If you don't land on your heels as your primary means of running, you don't need all that jazz. It's a matter of proper running form, and most shoes are built to make you run in an unnatural way.
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Originally Posted by clink83
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All you people advocating VFF or barefoot for a beginner runner are idiots. Besides the fact that they limit most people to extremely slow running speeds, if you don't have the mileage base already built up, and strong feet those shoes are a good way to get stress fractures or other injuries.
It's all about technique, not the type of shoes you wear. Having a flat heel and less padding is nice, but you can run with good technique in any shoes. Most minimalist shoes are scams anyways, they are lightweight shoes because all of the rubber has been removed from the soles, and they wear rapidly. |
I think that it is all a matter of comfort really. Like barefooting, go for it. Feel you need cushioning, spend the amount you are comfortable with.
Snarly comments like some of the above don't add anything positive to the discussion, nor will the persuade anyone to your POV. Just sayin' |
I get shin splints when I wear running shoes. I've never been fitted so I don't know. I just wear Toms or no shoes at all. Vibrams hurt my feet.
I've heard good things about Merrell Trail Glove. Maybe you could go get fitted for running shoes? |
I've been running in some Saucony Kinvaras. They are a nice zero heel drop minimal running shoe. Very comfortable shoes. like other above I love my vibram five fingers but I am slowly working my way into the whole barefoot running thing. I may never go totally barefoot but the minimal shoes have helped me to greatly improve my form. If I heel strike in any of my shoes my body knows it immediately.
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@unoudid, I just looked at the Kinvara and it looks like a great shoe. I have been running in Nike Air Max+ Moto's for the past two years and was getting ready to buy a new pair. I just may give the Saucony's a better look. Thanks for the advice (which was sorely needed in this thread :)
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Originally Posted by gcorwin
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@unoudid, I just looked at the Kinvara and it looks like a great shoe. I have been running in Nike Air Max+ Moto's for the past two years and was getting ready to buy a new pair. I just may give the Saucony's a better look. Thanks for the advice (which was sorely needed in this thread :)
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Asics are decent shoes, depend on model. some cheap models are not really good for running.
I have Asics Kinsey and very happy with them: http://www.amazon.com/Asics-GEL-Kins...6276220&sr=8-1 |
Originally Posted by Dirtbagfitness
(Post 12679956)
So it's all about technique? So if a beginner learns proper barefoot form then they should be fine, right? And you should start a minimal/barefoot journey with low mileage and build up, but a beginner runner would be doing that anyway. As for them being a scam, how often is it suggested that you replace your Nikes? Six months of regular running, something like that? Two pairs of $90 shoes a year? Who's getting scammed?
Originally Posted by unoudid
(Post 12685044)
I've been running in some Saucony KinvarasThey are a nice zero heel drop minimal running shoe.
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Originally Posted by clink83
(Post 12677547)
All you people advocating VFF or barefoot for a beginner runner are idiots. Besides the fact that they limit most people to extremely slow running speeds, if you don't have the mileage base already built up, and strong feet those shoes are a good way to get stress fractures or other injuries.
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Originally Posted by CbadRider
(Post 12648113)
Some people have the genetic ability to run barefoot without any support. If you can run barefoot without pain and injury, that's great. The rest of us need some sort of support.
All foot ailment are generally caused by shoes. |
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