What is "lane-splitting" ?
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I teach motorcycling with a 25 yr CHP motor officer vet and he states very clearly that he has never rolled on a motorcycle accident as a result of lane splitting but has rolled countless times for motorcycles getting rear ended. 45 years of full time riding has taught me that I'm far safer between cars when doing so under control with proper speeds than sitting behind cars, especially in rubber banding traffic.
On a bicycle, I only do it when traffic is completely stopped, for unlike a motorcycle, I have very limited options available to me to respond in an evasive way with my bicycle due to its weak brakes, poor swerving ability and my bicycle motor's lack of rapid acceleration.
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Land splitting is called 'filtering' in Britain, and possibly also Europe.
But it's mostly for motorcycles. Since I ride motorcycles, I do it all the time, to a limited extent.
In California it is illegal to open your door into traffic. Opening your door when you know a bike or motorcycle is coming is not an accident. You could be taken to jail for assault and battery.
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But it's mostly for motorcycles. Since I ride motorcycles, I do it all the time, to a limited extent.
In California it is illegal to open your door into traffic. Opening your door when you know a bike or motorcycle is coming is not an accident. You could be taken to jail for assault and battery.
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In the context of commercial vehicles, lane splitting is done to control two lanes to prevent other road users from moving into an unsafe area next to your vehicle. It's legal in certain cases where a commercial vehicle requires two lanes for safe travel. It can appear that the bus is being piggy, but there usually is a very good reason. One example is an area where the lanes are too narrow to fit an 8 1/2 foot wide bus. Another example would be a sharp right turn. When driving a bus, I'll split the lane so I can make the right turn without having to go into the oncoming lane around the corner.
The lesson to cyclists is to not slip into that pocket. Cars won't typically go there since there is not enough room. On the other hand, I've had many cyclists dart into my right turn pocket to pass me on the right even though I've been splitting the lane for half a block and have my right turn signal on. Scares the crap out of me every time it happens.
The lesson to cyclists is to not slip into that pocket. Cars won't typically go there since there is not enough room. On the other hand, I've had many cyclists dart into my right turn pocket to pass me on the right even though I've been splitting the lane for half a block and have my right turn signal on. Scares the crap out of me every time it happens.
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This is lane-splitting...
...and crazy if you ask me...
Lane-Splitting
I ride a motorcycle in the Bay Area and we like to call it lane-sharing... Sounds nicer.
It's definitely not the safest thing to do, but with common sense, it's no worse than normal risks in cycling or riding a motorcycle. I try to avoid it near freeway transitions as well as on most surface streets as there is more lane changing going on.
Ride on, be safe!
...and crazy if you ask me...
Lane-Splitting
I ride a motorcycle in the Bay Area and we like to call it lane-sharing... Sounds nicer.
It's definitely not the safest thing to do, but with common sense, it's no worse than normal risks in cycling or riding a motorcycle. I try to avoid it near freeway transitions as well as on most surface streets as there is more lane changing going on.
Ride on, be safe!
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Lane splitting/sharing is nuts. Everyone new to California freaks out when they find out it's legal here.
Most motorcyclists I see only do it when traffic is pretty much stopped (they could still get doored or such) which isn't too crazy, but sometimes you see folks zipping between the cars at 60 or 70 mph. That's just a death-wish.
Most motorcyclists I see only do it when traffic is pretty much stopped (they could still get doored or such) which isn't too crazy, but sometimes you see folks zipping between the cars at 60 or 70 mph. That's just a death-wish.
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In Ca. does lane splitting ever occur when traffic is stopped at a stop sign or red light? Is it allowed when traffic is stopped, or only when traffic is supposed to be moving, with green light, etc., but isn't because of grid-lock? Also are you allowed to lane split between traffic that is supposed to be moving and traffic parked on the side of the roadway?
How do you keep from clipping the mirrors of vehicles, especially large trucks? Sure most vehicles have the folding mirrors, but not all and not larger commercial trucks. One smack into those and you're done for.
How do you keep from clipping the mirrors of vehicles, especially large trucks? Sure most vehicles have the folding mirrors, but not all and not larger commercial trucks. One smack into those and you're done for.
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For those of you who lane split while traffic is moving (slow), do you find that people tend to notice you at all? If they do notice, do they move to give you more room?
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I think the best/safest way to lanesplit is at stop lights, a sort of "jump to the head of the class" type thing. When cars are stopped on either side, I don't mind it too much. People that change lanes without signaling or looking for a biker make me hesitant to split lanes in moving traffic.
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I have done it and they seem to notice and sometimes move over a little. I guess in LA people are used to seeing motorcycles doing it and aren't surprised when you show up next to them.
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Lane splitting is legal in DC and I will assert that it is legal in any state that allows motorists and cyclists to share the same lane to accommodate faster moving traffic (cars are not always the faster vehicle) YMV in court with this little tidbit. (If cars can ride the line to pass a cyclist then why can't we do the same?)
"Lane splitting" is moving between two (or more) same-direction lanes (making a effective third, narrow, lane of traffic). The thing that is missing in bicycles sharing the lane is two additional traffic lanes.
The "lane sharing" involves cyclists is an overtaking/passing situation. Most states (all?) allow vehicles to overtake very-slow vehicles and require very-slow vehicles to keep to the right.
Note that "riding abreast" might be technically "lane splitting" but there are typically laws that address this explicitly (either allowing it or disallowing it).
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On roadways, bicycles are required to follow the laws for all vehicles unless there is an explicit exception made.
If it's illegal for other vehicles, it's illegal for bicycles. If it's legal for a specific class of vehicles that clearly excludes bicycles (eg, motorcycles), it's illegal for bicycles. (Whether or not you'd actually get a ticket for it is another question.)
(The one exception (that I know of) to the "if it's illegal for other vehicles" is riding a bicycle on the shoulder. In some states, bicycles are legally allowed to ride on the shoulder, but in most states, it appears that this is just understood to be legal! Other vehicles are not allowed to travel in the shoulder.)
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I think on Hollywood blvd they almost expect tons of bikes and motocycles to be splitting lanes.
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Ah, no. Your mileage, using this in court, would be zero. They are, quite clearly, different.
"Lane splitting" is moving between two (or more) same-direction lanes (making a effective third, narrow, lane of traffic). The thing that is missing in bicycles sharing the lane is two additional traffic lanes.
The "lane sharing" involves cyclists is an overtaking/passing situation. Most states (all?) allow vehicles to overtake very-slow vehicles and require very-slow vehicles to keep to the right.
"Lane splitting" is moving between two (or more) same-direction lanes (making a effective third, narrow, lane of traffic). The thing that is missing in bicycles sharing the lane is two additional traffic lanes.
The "lane sharing" involves cyclists is an overtaking/passing situation. Most states (all?) allow vehicles to overtake very-slow vehicles and require very-slow vehicles to keep to the right.
If a motorist passes a slow cyclist by adjusting his lateral position to be on a lane stripe this is called lane sharing, but if a cyclist passes a slow motorist by riding the stripe this is called lane splitting. Two completely different concepts as outlined by law, whoops no legal distinction for lane splitting in most states. Again the law allows for lane sharing of bicyclists and motorists and for the faster vehicle (no distinction on if it is the bike or the car) to pass on the left and the number of same directional lanes does not enter into law. As long as we are legally allowed to pass slower vehicles to their left with no specific outlawing of lane sharing or lane splitting it can be argued as legal and no amount of made up non legal terminology will change that.
This is an interesting read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting
Until there is a law that there can only be one vehicle per lane side by side including cyclists, lane sharing/lane splitting by cyclists can be argued as legal.
You also seem to imply that it is illegal for a motorist and a cyclist to travel at the same speed and side by side in a WOL. So who gets the ticket, the motorist or the cyclist? Does the motorist get a ticket for starting to pass and not finishing the pass? Or does the cyclist get a ticket for facilitating an incomplete pass? Or are you making my point that faster cycling traffic can pass slower cars on the left?
[Note: legality does not imply safety.]
Epic fail of not following your own made up definitions.
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This is an interesting read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic."
This is clearly not the same thing as a bicycle sharing a lane in the FRAP situation. It's clearly different!
In Texas, "lane splitting" is different than what is allowed for bicycles and it's more limited and it's restricted explicitly to motorcycles!
https://www.statesurge.com/bills/451626-sb-506-texas
As far as can tell, "lane splitting" is the term used legally for what is described in wikipedia. Calling it "lane sharing" appears to be much less common (and confusing).
https://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.370.html
Either "lane splitting" is allowed explicitly or it is disallowed by the laws that require vehicles to travel within lanes. Bicycles are allowed explicitly (by FRAP laws) to "lane share" (a phrase that, as far as I can tell, isn't used legally).
My definition is the one you referenced!
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic."
The following indicates that the legalities of lane splitting is complicated for motorcyclists.
https://www.whybike.com/motorcycle164.htm
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You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say "completely".
Quite. The first sentence is an especially interesting read.
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic."
This is clearly not the same thing as a bicycle sharing a lane in the FRAP situation. It's clearly different!
Quite. The first sentence is an especially interesting read.
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic."
This is clearly not the same thing as a bicycle sharing a lane in the FRAP situation. It's clearly different!
It is also sometimes called lane sharing...
It's clearly different!
In Texas, "lane splitting" is different than what is allowed for bicycles and it's more limited and it's restricted explicitly to motorcycles!
https://www.statesurge.com/bills/451626-sb-506-texas
As far as can tell, "lane splitting" is the term used legally for what is described in wikipedia. Calling it "lane sharing" appears to be much less common (and confusing).
https://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html
Such laws are common (if not universal). Bicycles are explicit exceptions. "Lane splitting", in those states that it's legal, is another exception.
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.370.html
Either "lane splitting" is allowed explicitly or it is disallowed by the laws that require vehicles to travel within lanes. Bicycles are allowed explicitly (by FRAP laws) to "lane share" (a phrase that, as far as I can tell, isn't used legally).
I wasn't trying to imply that. As far as I know, no state law prohibits that.
My definition is the one you referenced!
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic."
The following indicates that the legalities of lane splitting is complicated for motorcyclists.
https://www.whybike.com/motorcycle164.htm
https://www.statesurge.com/bills/451626-sb-506-texas
As far as can tell, "lane splitting" is the term used legally for what is described in wikipedia. Calling it "lane sharing" appears to be much less common (and confusing).
https://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html
Such laws are common (if not universal). Bicycles are explicit exceptions. "Lane splitting", in those states that it's legal, is another exception.
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.370.html
Either "lane splitting" is allowed explicitly or it is disallowed by the laws that require vehicles to travel within lanes. Bicycles are allowed explicitly (by FRAP laws) to "lane share" (a phrase that, as far as I can tell, isn't used legally).
I wasn't trying to imply that. As far as I know, no state law prohibits that.
My definition is the one you referenced!
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic."
The following indicates that the legalities of lane splitting is complicated for motorcyclists.
https://www.whybike.com/motorcycle164.htm
As far as the restriction to drive within lanes; the word drive applies only to motor vehicles and not cyclists. Driving on the shoulder is generally prohibited while riding on the shoulder is allowed.
Lastly riding abreast is sharing a lane not splitting a lane by your definitions. That is you can ride two abreast on only one lane same direction of traffic and you do not ride the stripe between lanes of same direction of traffic. But that is sort of my point the terms lane sharing and lane splitting are often used interchangeably which makes trying to make them unique concepts rather difficult.
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Not so much! The first sentence is the definition. The second sentence merely indicates some synonyms.
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic. It is also sometimes called lane sharing, whitelining,[1] filtering, or stripe-riding.[2] Lane splitting usually refers to moving at a greater speed than traffic, in response to a traffic slowdown,[3][4] a form of filtering forward."
"Lane sharing" has multiple meanings. That is, the term "lane sharing" is ambiguous. Note that the "lane splitting" laws use the term "lane splitting" and not "lane sharing" (as far as I can determine).
MahiMahi are sometimes called "dolphins". That doesn't make them porpoises!
That would probably depend on the particular state law. In NJ, cyclists are "drivers".
https://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin...Doc_Frame_PG42
Bicycles have the same duties as other vehicles unless there is an exception made for them. The FRAP laws provide such an exception. "Riding abreast" laws provide another. The "drive within lane" laws preclude "lane splitting" unless there is an exception made for it.
""Driver" means the rider or driver of a horse, bicycle or motorcycle or the driver or operator of a motor vehicle, unless otherwise specified."
The "riding on the shoulder" thing appears to be an legal oddity.
"Traveling" in the shoulder is often what is not allowed. In some states (eg, NY), bicycles are explicitly allowed to travel on the shoulder. In many other states (it seems), it not explicitly mentioned. This means it's technically illegal, in these states, to ride on the shoulder because without an explicit exception bicycles have the same duties as other vehicles! But clearly, in practice, riding on the shoulder is legal. The fact that some state laws mention it explicitly indicates that something is otherwise missing from the traffic law.
You were pretty definite about it though you waffle a bit with the YMV. Note that your statement is based on there being a difference between "lane splitting" and "lane sharings"!
"Riding abreast" is "lane sharing" (of some sort) but typically there are laws that specifically address riding bicycles abreast.
The term "lane spitting" has legal standing (it's used in laws) and it has a specific legal meaning (which happens to match the definition wikipedia uses).
"Lane sharing" appears to have no standard meaning! It's possible that "lane splitting" is a type of "lane sharing" but bicycles are not "lane splitting" by riding FRAP.
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic. It is also sometimes called lane sharing, whitelining,[1] filtering, or stripe-riding.[2] Lane splitting usually refers to moving at a greater speed than traffic, in response to a traffic slowdown,[3][4] a form of filtering forward."
"Lane sharing" has multiple meanings. That is, the term "lane sharing" is ambiguous. Note that the "lane splitting" laws use the term "lane splitting" and not "lane sharing" (as far as I can determine).
MahiMahi are sometimes called "dolphins". That doesn't make them porpoises!
https://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin...Doc_Frame_PG42
Bicycles have the same duties as other vehicles unless there is an exception made for them. The FRAP laws provide such an exception. "Riding abreast" laws provide another. The "drive within lane" laws preclude "lane splitting" unless there is an exception made for it.
""Driver" means the rider or driver of a horse, bicycle or motorcycle or the driver or operator of a motor vehicle, unless otherwise specified."
"Traveling" in the shoulder is often what is not allowed. In some states (eg, NY), bicycles are explicitly allowed to travel on the shoulder. In many other states (it seems), it not explicitly mentioned. This means it's technically illegal, in these states, to ride on the shoulder because without an explicit exception bicycles have the same duties as other vehicles! But clearly, in practice, riding on the shoulder is legal. The fact that some state laws mention it explicitly indicates that something is otherwise missing from the traffic law.
Lane splitting is legal in DC and I will assert that it is legal in any state that allows motorists and cyclists to share the same lane to accommodate faster moving traffic (cars are not always the faster vehicle) YMV in court with this little tidbit. (If cars can ride the line to pass a cyclist then why can't we do the same?)
"Lane sharing" appears to have no standard meaning! It's possible that "lane splitting" is a type of "lane sharing" but bicycles are not "lane splitting" by riding FRAP.
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Not so much. The first sentence is the definition. The second sentence indicates synonyms.
"Lane sharing" has multiple meanings. That is, the term "lane sharing" is ambiguous. Note that the "lane splitting" laws use the term "lane splitting" and not "lane sharing" (as far as I can determine).
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic. It is also sometimes called lane sharing, whitelining,[1] filtering, or stripe-riding.[2] Lane splitting usually refers to moving at a greater speed than traffic, in response to a traffic slowdown,[3][4] a form of filtering forward."
MahiMahi are sometimes called "dolphins". That doesn't make them porpoises!
"Lane sharing" has multiple meanings. That is, the term "lane sharing" is ambiguous. Note that the "lane splitting" laws use the term "lane splitting" and not "lane sharing" (as far as I can determine).
"Lane splitting is riding a bicycle or motorcycle between lanes in the same direction as traffic. It is also sometimes called lane sharing, whitelining,[1] filtering, or stripe-riding.[2] Lane splitting usually refers to moving at a greater speed than traffic, in response to a traffic slowdown,[3][4] a form of filtering forward."
MahiMahi are sometimes called "dolphins". That doesn't make them porpoises!
Re: MahiMahi are sometimes called "dolphins". That doesn't make them porpoises!
That doesn't make dolphins porpoises either. Boy am I confused.
§ 21-1202 Traffic laws apply to bicycles and motor scooters.
Every person operating a bicycle or a motor scooter in a public bicycle area has all the rights granted to and is subject to all the duties required of the driver of a vehicle by this title, including the duties set forth in § 21-504 of this title, except:
(1) As otherwise provided in this subtitle; and
(2) For those provisions of this title that by their very nature cannot apply.
So by your interpretation cyclists also have this duty:
(a) Vehicles generally.- If a motor vehicle is traveling on a downgrade, the driver of the motor vehicle may not coast with the gears or transmission in neutral.
By your arguments motorists have to be in one lane and cannot straddle lanes in order to pass a cyclist or a group of cyclists. My point is if this is allowed for motorists then it is allowed for cyclists as well.
Originally Posted by The Human Car
YMV in court with this little tidbit.
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The term "lane spitting" has legal standing (it's used in laws) and it has a specific legal meaning (which happens to match the definition wikipedia uses).
"Lane sharing" appears to have no standard meaning! It's possible that "lane splitting" is a type of "lane sharing" but bicycles are not "lane splitting" by riding FRAP.
"Lane sharing" appears to have no standard meaning! It's possible that "lane splitting" is a type of "lane sharing" but bicycles are not "lane splitting" by riding FRAP.
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I was incorrect: the TX law does not use the term "lane splitting". What the law describes does match wikipedia's definition of "lane spitting".
"The operator of a motorcycle may operate the motorcycle for a safe distance between lanes of traffic moving in the same direction during periods of traffic congestion"
The base laws of states do prohibit "lane sharing" and "lane splitting" with the "traveling/driving within the lane" laws. "Lane splitting" is only legal in those states that have a law that provides for the exception to the "traveling/driving within the lane" law. Note that the "lane splitting" laws are specific to motorcycles.
The FRAP law allows "lane sharing" (of some sort) as an exception to the "traveling/driving within the lane" law and is specific to bicycles.
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The following uses "lane splitting" and "lane sharing" to refer to different things.
https://accident-law.freeadvice.com/a...elmut-laws.htm
Lane Splitting
Lane splitting is a driving maneuver commonly practiced by motorcycle riders to move between lanes of slow moving or stopped cars on congested roads.
Lane splitting is only legal in California. The California Highway Patrol says, “Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner.” California lacks specific guidelines as to what is a safe and prudent manner. Two factors used to determine whether squeezing past traffic was done in a safe and prudent manner are the speed of the motorcycle and the speed of the surrounding traffic. Lane sharing on the other hand, where two motorcycles occupy the same lane, is legal in a majority of states.
It looks like CA doesn't have a "lane splitting" law or a "lane sharing" law.
The following, too, treats them as different things.
https://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=TX
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"lane splitting" (defined as traveling between two lanes of same direction traffic) is a sort of passing but it isn't the passing that the traffic laws are addressing since it is, by default, illegal. (In CA, it appears to be not enforced. In TX, there is a law making an exception for it.)
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"lane splitting" (defined as traveling between two lanes of same direction traffic) is a sort of passing but it isn't the passing that the traffic laws are addressing since it is, by default, illegal. (In CA, it appears to be not enforced. In TX, there is a law making an exception for it.)
Your argument rests on this "fact": "it is, by default, illegal" which is not universally true. In fact looking up "lane splitting" in the UVC I get "No topics found."
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i'd like to illuminate john forester's descriptive of lane splitting -
"riding like a road sneak!" but to him it's in the context of NOT taking the lane when performing left turns and lane changes on high speed, high volume multi laned roadways.... a mightily diminutive, and distinctly UNvehicular, way to ride a bike IMO in the presence of faster moving traffic, but i digress...
"riding like a road sneak!" but to him it's in the context of NOT taking the lane when performing left turns and lane changes on high speed, high volume multi laned roadways.... a mightily diminutive, and distinctly UNvehicular, way to ride a bike IMO in the presence of faster moving traffic, but i digress...