So where I live in winter its below freezing on average temperatures. Around - 10C and more etc.
Been using thermal water bottles for when i go fat biking, but everything still freezes

So i need suggestions on to use something that won't freeze or at least not freeze as much for winter and able to keep hydrated for a long ride in winter?

Are there such a things as thermal camel baks, suggestions please and very much welcome

Little bit o' vodka? (It will lower the freezing point of water).

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Or a chemical heat pack taped the the water bottle if you don't want to have that much fun.

I used to warm my water before heading out and also added a tiny bit of salt, just enough that I didn't taste it. You can add a squeeze of lemon to hide the salt too. I do that a lot even tho most of my riding is not during the winter. I tried the "touch" of vodka but I didn't care for that. Maybe I used a touch too much hahaha

Sugar is only about a tenth as effective at lowering the freezing pt. as salt but you can add much more of it before it becomes objectionable. If it's still too cold for the usual energy drink mix of sugar with a bit of salt then I'd go for a camelback pouch kept insulated by my outer clothes.

How about a camelback under your Coat?

I wonder if you put cream in the bottle if it would turn to whipped cream, or ice cream

Smaller water bottle(s) in jersey pockets?

Honestly, I'm guessing. It's rare that I go more than 45 minutes or so (my commute time) when it's that cold.

Why even bother to carry and drink ice cold water on a cold winter day ??. Why not bring a thermos with hot beverage ??... Whenever I do a long ride during winter I bring two thermoses. One is filled with tea and the other one with hot chocolate or some type of hot soup.

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A couple of these will fit in your water bottle cages. You only get 16oz of capacity per bottle, but if you start with quite hot liquids, they will stay hot for a couple of hours, warm for a couple more, and liquid most of the day. I don't ride for more than an hour or so at a time in extremely cold temperatures and have established routes that take me past open cafes and convenience stores where I can get a hot beverage and some water.

I've been filling one of those insulated bottles with HOT Chocolate.

Most of the time it isn't below freezing when I'm out, but it takes a while for it to cool down.

How long are your rides?

I also notice that while water is still nice, I can go quite a bit further without hydration than I was doing in the summer.

I just stop, get a coffee and ride somemore

I've found that around -10 C that these bottles: Camelbak Podium Big Chill Cycling Water Bottle 750ml/25oz - Mountain Equipment Co-op. Free Shipping Available will keep room-temperature water drinkable for about 2 hours before it freezes. The advantage of those particular bottles is that when the valve freezes up, it freezes *open*, not shut. If I need longer/colder I'll start heating my water before I go.

If you're looking to actually have a hot beverage, I'd follow GravelMN's advice of packing an actual thermos - just a little different when drinking on the bike.

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I'm getting ready to head out on a long ride this afternoon. It's "only" 25 miles but that's long given that the temp might break freezing today and there is a new light dusting of snow everywhere.

The idea of hot tea counts as a great idea. I like it,

This time of year, I take my "tank" shod with winter continental 26 x 2.0 tires, a rack, lights, and a single pannier so adding a thermos will be a piece of cake.

Mandatory pic of "tank," (it weighs a svelte 30 lbs on a good day, ):

Good info; I need to pick up a pair of these. They will be good on hot days as well if I don't feel like taking my camelback.

I drink extra water before heading out, sip on my water bottle early in the ride, and try not to get stuck somewhere I can't pee.

There are many types of vacuum insulated stainless bottles. Some are actually built for hot drinks. I have had hot coffee still be a little warm 2 hours later in below freezing temps. It will take a long time to freeze. Cold coffee tastes just like the iced coffee from from a restauraunt. This is what I use for hot coffee. The top springs open, onoy need one hand. This one opens a vent and a drinking hole at the same time. One hole bottles can sometimes squirt hot drinks out hard if held upside down to drink.

I have two, and inherited two more from a relative.

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If a non insulated bottle starts to freeze, put it under your coat against you for a minute. This also helps with alkaline battery lights too, when they get weak in the cold.

Adding sugar, ethanol or salt does little to depress the freezing point in concentrations that you could consume. To depress the melting point -10C would require a solution that is 5 molal for a single particle solution like ethanol or sugar while it would require a 3 molal solution for a 2 particle solution like sodium chloride. A "molal" is a mole of a substance per liter of solution.

Sugar, for example, would require 5 moles of sugar per liter of solution. That's 1700 g per liter of solution or a bit over 3 pounds of sugar. For ethanol...100% ethanol, not the 35% in vodka...200 g of ethanol per liter or about 20% total by weight. How many shots of vodka can you drink in one sitting without geting blind drunk. Finally, for salt, you'd need around 180g of salt per liter or 18%. That's edging up into toxic salt levels. It certainly wouldn't be good for you over even a short period of time.

Yes there are thermal Camelbaks as well as thermal kits for Camelbaks. There are even winter Camelbaks. They aren't perfect and the tubes will freeze eventually but they take longer than a bare tube. If you blow the water back into the bag, you'll increase the amount of time before the water freezes. Drinking more often also helps.

Mix em all together...
To give you a sweet salty alcohol mix.

There may be a limit for some sugar mixes. For example, honey may freeze at a higher temp than water.

But, I think you're better off with warm fluids, insulated containers, and using body heat (or electrical heat).

haha great info! I'll go back one of my original suggestions to warm you water before heading out. also if you are riding more than 45 minutes below freezing you might plan a stop along your route to warm yourself (toes) and also replenish your liquids with stuff off the shelf (not from a store cooler)