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Old 07-20-15, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
congratulations @hack!
Thanks ... I've only won twice now, this one was much more sobering than the last. Mainly because after those 10-20 seconds of happiness, you quickly realize that no one gives an eff...including me.
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Thanks ... I've only won twice now, this one was much more sobering than the last. Mainly because after those 10-20 seconds of happiness, you quickly realize that no one gives an eff...including me.
I give an eff - well done!!
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Originally Posted by mattm
I give an eff - well done!!
Ha, thanks ... I've been pretty distracted by non-bike things the past few weeks. So, when I did win, it was like "so what ... still gotta do x, y, and z".
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Fudgy wins. Dude. You gotta go to Nats. You could be in stripes.
i agree. you gotta go. you're confident, you're on form. you might be better next year....but you might not.
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Old 07-20-15, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by save10
i agree. you gotta go. you're confident, you're on form. you might be better next year....but you might not.
and nats are on the other side of the country next year ... not that Utah is close, but it is closer
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and tell your wife.....all these guys on the internet think you should do it. how can she say no to that

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Old 07-20-15, 02:32 PM
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Toss this in there

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'honey, look, it could be way worse than cycling...'
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Not sure if it was in seriousness but I didn't win Sunday. Guy caught/passed the break hard, he won. Break guy (who can sprint - he won the Lime Rock in May in a proper field sprint) got 2nd. I got 3rd. It's the other gold medal medal.

I'm a bit heavier than I was in May and the hill really hurt me. I almost pulled the plug. Did I say all this? Anyway someone commented to me, "Dude, I saw you at 8 to go on the hill, it looked like you were going to die." That's pretty much how I felt.

I didn't know I got 3rd fastest lap, I sort of ignore the trophies and such. My lap was 3:00. The guy that is the top of the leader board? He won Sunday with that 2:57 lap. He smoked us.

I averaged 279w for 3 minutes, xPower (NP) 281w. Avg HR 164 bpm (max I saw was 174, a little bit after the sprint ended). Says 29.3 mph.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Lime Rock 3/4

Waited til 4 laps to go (about 15min), there were 2 guys up the road and I knew one of them was pretty strong, they had a gap of like 10 seconds so I bridged up to it. I will confess I skipped some pulls and pretended to be more gassed than I was because I knew at least one of them could outsprint me and I wanted him to work. Unfortunately the result was we were caught with roughly 50m to go and I finished 10th. I could've contributed more and scored at least a 3rd place but I'd like to win something before I upgrade. I'm a bit frustrated at myself for this one and I feel kind of bad for the other 2 dudes that were in the move, but it is what it is. 10th.

Lime Rock 1/2/3

Thunderdome. Things exploded immediately, I hesitated when the break rolled on the first lap and then tried to bridge on the second but did not have the legs to get across a gap that large, but it did bring us close enough for a few others to ride my coat tails and get OTF, including my coach. Then we all attacked the **** out of each other for the next half hour and things exploded even more. Around minute 40 of this 1:15 race I launched one and got away. The plus side is I got away....the minus side is I was riding solo in no man's land for like 35 minutes in a 1/2/3 race. I did catch others in similar situations and blew past them. Unfortunately when the break that got away on the first lap lapped them they latched on to it, I opted not to because it seemed a bit unsportsmanlike. So one dude I was about to catch wound up way ahead because of this, and one other dude got ahead of me by latching on to it, but then he popped and I caught him again along with a teammate of his who was tailed off. Unfortunately the guy can sprint (he won Sommerville's cat 2 race this year) and he had a teammate who was willing to chase me down if I tried stuff. He very much rekt this fool in the sprint. 10th again, ridiculous amounts of fun and pain.
That guy won soloing 3 laps at Somerville. He can sprint but he's better in breaks. He happened to need to throw his bike at the line because the field caught him there, but he won due to a solo break, not because he did a sprint out of the field. I was shocked when I learned that.

From his FB feed. He was away for, what, like 6 miles?


Also the break guy that got 2nd in the 3-4 race obviously had a lot left in the tank going into the sprint as I couldn't catch him in the sprint. I don't think you were the only one playing the game. The guy told me he was waiting to go, trying to do it so he could finish ahead of the field.
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Old 07-20-15, 08:37 PM
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Interesting, that makes me feel better about it.

The guy that went past us did it in a really smart way, he saw we were peeling off to the right so he went left to make sure he went by the guy who was in the middle of taking a pull.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
I averaged 279w for 3 minutes, xPower (NP) 281w

Good example of why NP/EP/xpower/whatever you want to call it is not useful for short durations. Your average power for that lap was 279w and NP was 281w. The lap included an 800w dig up the hill and an 1100w sprint. I guarantee that was more physiological impact (tldr: hurt way more) than doing 281w steady for 3 minutes.

281w for 3 minutes doesn't sound like any kind of race winning effort, but your graph makes it clear how you got on the podium.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
I think a fact finding mission is in order. @Ygduf, pencil in Battenkill for next year.
Am I the only one here who has raced east coast, west coast and places in between...annually? CA, NY, OR, CO, AR, NM, AZ, Etc. everyone is talking about differences in this east coast west coast beef. Who else races in enough places to compare?
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I've raced in the Northeast, Texas (mostly Austin and within 75ish mile radius from there), and a few places in between (e.g., Kansas). the only perception that sticks out in my mind from MY experiences is that riders seem to, on average, go/start out harder in Texas races.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
Am I the only one here who has raced east coast, west coast and places in between...annually? CA, NY, OR, CO, AR, NM, AZ, Etc. everyone is talking about differences in this east coast west coast beef. Who else races in enough places to compare?
probably.

and I take heart that you agree that the numbers posted are startlingly good.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
the numbers posted are startlingly good.

I've lost track of what the issue is exactly. What is startlingly good?
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Good example of why NP/EP/xpower/whatever you want to call it is not useful for short durations. Your average power for that lap was 279w and NP was 281w. The lap included an 800w dig up the hill and an 1100w sprint. I guarantee that was more physiological impact (tldr: hurt way more) than doing 281w steady for 3 minutes.

281w for 3 minutes doesn't sound like any kind of race winning effort, but your graph makes it clear how you got on the podium.
any way I can get in there for a warm up and 1 lap, and someone can teach me how to work strava?
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
any way I can get in there for a warm up and 1 lap, and someone can teach me how to work strava?

You've raced there before right? There is a 20 second hill and it's always windy. The efforts here with lightning bolts are real power numbers. The guy at the top was 479w for 3 minutes and according to CDR he was in the pack for most of that lap. My effort on there was in a 4-man break with TKP back in May.

I mean, maybe you could beat those solo, but I wouldn't call it a shoo in.
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Don't go to Europe.

edit: My peak 3min power from the day before (Hilltowns) was 460, these numbers are pretty normal for generally quick guys in the area.

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Old 07-21-15, 07:03 AM
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I wish fudgy would wake up already. This is boring without him.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
these numbers are pretty normal for generally quick guys in the area.
To be clear, I'm not saying those power numbers are abnormal or even "pas normale", though it's more than I can do. I'm just saying that beating those power numbers probably wouldn't be enough to beat the fastest lap times solo, because the times on that leaderboard are likely all from non-solo efforts.

I'm not defending or protesting anything, just providing context.
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No I agree, I was buttressing your point against the barbarian californian onslaught.
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I'm bored watching electricians dangle from ladder so to start some smack talk I'm betting I could hold off a cat 3 field for a lap. So maybe not top (I have no idea I didn't look or wouldn't even really know how to) but yeah better than that.
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I think that there are probably a handful of people in each race that probably could. The power is good but what's more impressive to me is the guy was that patient with us up the road. He rode his race and did it right.
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So the take away is that only Fudgy and Cat 3s care about strava? Or has strava jumped the shark? If there was a 1,2 race there the cat 3s put up the fasted lap of the day? No wonder Fudge is confused by east coast racing.
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