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Old 08-07-17, 07:09 AM
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Advice please ..

hi all, sorry to hijack this thread, but it seems relevant to my problem, i have a shimano rs81 c24 -"20 hole spoke" Hub that i salvaged complete with spokes,
at this moment in time i cannot justify spending £200 on a OEM shimano rim.
i was just hoping if anyone knew of a Rim i could use as a project.?

cheers. neil
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my old Mk2 Brompton used a 20 spoke front wheel ..



20 spoke 700c rear wheel ? Not recommended , radial spoke windup when torque is applied is a bad idea

better , if speed is your quest , get a solid carbon disc time trial rear wheel..


more realistic I have a 40 spoke rear wheel 3 cross, still fine .. 30 years





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Anyone else have any input please?
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Originally Posted by Neil16377
Anyone else have any input please?
20 holes is not uncommon for a front wheel; DT, Velocity, HED, among others, make suitable rims. That you want to use it for a rear wheel or a straight pull hub is immaterial, as, with very few exceptions, the rim doesn't care what number of spoke crossings you use (only the hub, which in the case of a straight pull hub, determines that for you).

I suspect that once you see what the typical rim available in such a drilling costs, the Shimano price will look more reasonable.
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Originally Posted by wschruba
20 holes is not uncommon for a front wheel; DT, Velocity, HED, among others, make suitable rims. That you want to use it for a rear wheel or a straight pull hub is immaterial, as, with very few exceptions, the rim doesn't care what number of spoke crossings you use (only the hub, which in the case of a straight pull hub, determines that for you).

I suspect that once you see what the typical rim available in such a drilling costs, the Shimano price will look more reasonable.
ita a Rear wheel guys!!!!
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I'd do a Kinlin rim, XR22T, 26T, or 31T. Kinlin Road Rims

If you want to re-use spokes, XR22T will be the closest ERD.

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Originally Posted by Neil16377
ita a Rear wheel guys!!!!
Originally Posted by wschruba
That you want to use it for a rear wheel or a straight pull hub is immaterial
Why would the rim care if you use it on a front hub or a rear?
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Originally Posted by HillRider
Wow, are those interesting. They would make the initial lacing and nipple installation a lot faster and easier than one of those off-set screwdriver-type nipple drivers. Just use a thin wall socket on a power screwdriver and have at it.
You could also try the Enve nipples and tool. Basically, they flip the nipple over, BUT there is no screwdriver slot, so it won't cut into the rim. They may not center up in a spoke hole that is drilled for the nipple to sit in though.

They're also self locking (they are likely custom Sapim's) so you don't have to jack with spoke prep.


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Originally Posted by wschruba
Why would the rim care if you use it on a front hub or a rear?
yeah i know that buddy, i was just worried that a 20 hole Rear Rim had to be quite stiff?

anyoneknow of any compatible rims?
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Originally Posted by Neil16377
yeah i know that buddy, i was just worried that a 20 hole Rear Rim had to be quite stiff?

anyoneknow of any compatible rims?
You are missing the point:

It doesn't matter.

You build it with a slightly stouter rim than you normally would for a front wheel (which is more or less ambivalent about what you use). A twenty spoke rear wheel is practically disposable, compared to a 36, 32, or even 28 spoke wheel. Your trade-off for lower weight is lower durability (for a traditional "low profile" rim, anyway). Consider a heavier rim, like the velocity Deep V, versus something super lightweight.

Unless you buy a rim purpose built for what you want to do (low spoke count rear), you are stuck using rims not intended for that use.
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Originally Posted by wschruba
You are missing the point:

It doesn't matter.

You build it with a slightly stouter rim than you normally would for a front wheel (which is more or less ambivalent about what you use). A twenty spoke rear wheel is practically disposable, compared to a 36, 32, or even 28 spoke wheel. Your trade-off for lower weight is lower durability (for a traditional "low profile" rim, anyway). Consider a heavier rim, like the velocity Deep V, versus something super lightweight.

Unless you buy a rim purpose built for what you want to do (low spoke count rear), you are stuck using rims not intended for that use.
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right i see, what about this then?
i purchase a chiniese rim 20h lets say a 50mm
i would have to have that custom drilled to the same spec as the shimano correct?
then use new spokes of the desires size,
that make sense?
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Originally Posted by andr0id
You could also try the Enve nipples and tool. Basically, they flip the nipple over, BUT there is no screwdriver slot, so it won't cut into the rim. They may not center up in a spoke hole that is drilled for the nipple to sit in though.

They're also self locking (they are likely custom Sapim's) so you don't have to jack with spoke prep.

Those are internal nipples. Did you mean these?

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Originally Posted by Neil16377
yeah i know that buddy, i was just worried that a 20 hole Rear Rim had to be quite stiff?

anyoneknow of any compatible rims?
Do you read the replies? Go buy a 20H XR22T build your wheel and stop the hand wringing.
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Originally Posted by Jiggle
I'd do a Kinlin rim, XR22T, 26T, or 31T. Kinlin Road Rims

If you want to re-use spokes, XR22T will be the closest ERD.
ive just seen this reply, sorry, but my phone doesnt notify me,

ive seen the rims in question on ebay,
it states ob it that ishould purchase the assametric Rim for the Rear, but the option of a 20h is unavailable,
but 20h sammetric is available!
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Originally Posted by Jiggle
Those are internal nipples. Did you mean these?

Ah, yes, they would work in nipple sized holes rather than spoke sized holes.
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