Kimmo

Thinking about getting a Red Yaw FD to go with my Red Black Doubletaps (which I gather are identical to the original Red Doubletaps)... anyone tried this combo?

IRRC (if the Rival levers I used for a bit were any guide) I'll have a couple of spurious trim positions; is this a hassle in practice? Is the cable pull the same?

well biked

A co-worker of mine installed a (10 speed) Red FD with yaw on his previous generation 10-speed Red drivetrain, and it worked great. I think SRAM's official line is that it shouldn't be done. Again, my co-worker had great results. YMMV.

Kimmo

Sounds about right. I imagine they just dropped the trim positions from the Yaw shifters.

reptilezs

it works

thermalattorney

Yeah, it works. I have the Force 22 YAW FD with 10sp Red shifters.

operator

It works extremely well. Its the only way to get a non yaw sram group to shift the front properly.

We've been selling this upgrade on old sram bikes which customers have had a lot of problem with - works amazing.

TiHabanero

Great idea, Yaw. Why didn't Shimano think of this?

well biked

The whole reason SRAM came up with the yaw design was to try and catch up to Shimano with their front shifting performance. Our SRAM rep actually said so, which was kind of a refreshing bit of honesty.

reptilezs

shimano doesn't need yaw ****

well biked

+1

TrojanHorse

I have red yaw with red shifters - works great. yes, you have an extra trim position that you will never use. No big deal.

I wasn't aware that Shimano no longer used trim? Is that so?

well biked

Interesting note about 11 speed Shimano front shifting regarding trim: when shifting from big ring to small ring, the derailleur doesn't go to the inside-most position during the shift. To get the derailleur to go all the way to the inside, you use the trim feature in the shifter to release the derailleur the rest of the way. So basically, in this position, the trim feature works oppositely of what it used to. One benefit is that a dropped chain to the inside when shifting from big ring to small ring is pretty much impossible (or should be if things are set up correctly). I haven't done any long rides on Shimano 11 speed yet, but on short test rides the front shifting seems as good as ever regarding small ring to big ring peformance. SRAM's new FD's w/ yaw came about primarily to make SRAM's front shifting better in this area; the no-trim feature is a by-product.

TiHabanero

You are saying that Shimano still has the trim function in their shifter for 11 speed, but it trims in the opposite direction as prior versions in 10 speed and all the rest. Is this "reverse function"going to be sent down to the 10 speed stuff?

well biked

When shifting from big ring to small ring, the derailleur doesn't go to the innermost position. To move it to the innermost position, you use the trim function on the shifter to release the derailleur the rest of the way to the inside. I seriously doubt this design will morph to the Shimano 10 speed groups......but who knows.

TiHabanero

I see, it is dependent upon cable tension. Innovative, yet linear in its progression of design.