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Old 12-31-09, 09:57 PM
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SRAM Red

Really is that much better than Force or Rival.

Nothing compares to zero-loss in the rear.
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Old 12-31-09, 10:31 PM
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I agree I came from Utegra to Sram Red so it was quite different but once you get use to it I like the positive shifts you get from the Red group.
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why do you have to write these things... you're making poor college kids everywhere jealous
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Correct sir.
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Originally Posted by thegunner View Post
why do you have to write these things... you're making poor college kids everywhere jealous
There will be a time when you're not a poor college kid and can afford what you want. Unfortunately, at that time, you will probably wish to be a poor college kid again.
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There will be a time when you're not a poor college kid and can afford what you want. Unfortunately, at that time, you will probably wish to be a poor college kid again.
Couldn't be more true
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There will be a time when you're not a poor college kid and can afford what you want. Unfortunately, at that time, you will probably wish to be a poor college kid again.
this begs the question... what's better, having 2 bikes that are moderate (105/rival) or having 1 dream bike (red) sigh
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Originally Posted by thegunner View Post
this begs the question...
:facepalm:
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:facepalm:
at least i didn't start a new thread about it
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Old 12-31-09, 10:59 PM
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I think you missed my point
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I think you missed my point
if it's a grammatical thing, i'm an engineer... wordfail by default
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Originally Posted by Peterson View Post
There will be a time when you're not a poor college kid and can afford what you want. Unfortunately, at that time, you will probably wish to be a poor college kid again.
Son, today you were told the truth!
Its better to have 2 dream bikes!
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Originally Posted by thegunner View Post
if it's a grammatical thing, i'm an engineer... wordfail by default
...
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a new groupset: SRAM Force w/the BB30 cranks, Red shifters. Hopefully the best price/performance mix.
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why can't we just talk about fluid dynamics?
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so what does zero-loss on the rear feel like? Riding Force I'm not entirely sure how it could get better. It feels really positive to me already.
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Red has great upshifting and it is light, but it doesn't make me any faster than my 7800. If you can afford it great, otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Well, I'm just building yet another bike and SRAM Red will be the gruppo of choice ... slightly modified.

Shifters: SRAM Red
Crank: SRAM Red BB30
RD: SRAM Red

FD: Dura Ace 7900
Cassette: Dura Ace 7900
Chain: KMC X10SL TI N Gold
Cables/Housing: Yokozuna Reaction

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2010 force has zero loss, which according to SRAM, is defined:"Zero- Loss simply means, well, zero loss—when you push on the lever, for an upshift or down shift, the cable is engaged instantly—zero loss of movement. There is no middle-ground where you're waiting for the shift to come. Gear changes are instant and precise." sounds nice, but a well tuned drivetrain already does this.
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Originally Posted by thegunner View Post
if it's a grammatical thing, i'm an engineer... wordfail by default
Don't insult engineers (I am one too). Maybe that's not your strength but I view an engineer like a scientist, always in search of truth and it's applications. That applies to language as well.
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2010 force has zero loss, which according to SRAM, is defined:"Zero- Loss simply means, well, zero loss—when you push on the lever, for an upshift or down shift, the cable is engaged instantly—zero loss of movement. There is no middle-ground where you're waiting for the shift to come. Gear changes are instant and precise." sounds nice, but a well tuned drivetrain already does this.
Force only has zero-loss on the left (front) shifter.

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Don't insult engineers (I am one too). Maybe that's not your strength but I view an engineer like a scientist, always in search of truth and it's applications. That applies to language as well.
I'm an engineer too. And I'm just sayin.
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Don't insult engineers (I am one too). Maybe that's not your strength but I view an engineer like a scientist, always in search of truth and it's applications. That applies to language as well.
That's where it leaves the realm of pure science and becomes engineering.

You scummy engineers, just out to make a buck .
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Originally Posted by enjoi07 View Post
2010 force has zero loss, which according to SRAM, is defined:"Zero- Loss simply means, well, zero loss—when you push on the lever, for an upshift or down shift, the cable is engaged instantly—zero loss of movement. There is no middle-ground where you're waiting for the shift to come. Gear changes are instant and precise." sounds nice, but a well tuned drivetrain already does this.
2010 Force, like Rival, has zero loss in the front (left) lever. Red has it also on the right lever.
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