Help with an old PT Stallard!
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Help with an old PT Stallard!
Hi guys, I am from Australia and am trying to get a little help on a lovely old British frame I acquired.
It is a PT Stallard, and is absolutely beautiful. I've never come across one in Australia before. I want to restore her a little so would love to find out the rough year she was made, and what may have been on her.
She came to me with a GB Stem (with allen key bolt) and handlebars, which I figure may be original, but also first gen. Shimano 600 Arabesque touring group. Never come across a 3 arm Shimano 600 crank either! Those bits are from around 1976/77ish, from what I gather. Now I've read that he stopped making frames in the late 60s.
So I'd love to know if this was a one off made in the 70s, or actually from the 60's and just been retrofitted with Shimano bits.
I have provided some pictures of lugs, serial, dropouts etc. and hope someone can help me!
Much appreciated :-)
Chris
It is a PT Stallard, and is absolutely beautiful. I've never come across one in Australia before. I want to restore her a little so would love to find out the rough year she was made, and what may have been on her.
She came to me with a GB Stem (with allen key bolt) and handlebars, which I figure may be original, but also first gen. Shimano 600 Arabesque touring group. Never come across a 3 arm Shimano 600 crank either! Those bits are from around 1976/77ish, from what I gather. Now I've read that he stopped making frames in the late 60s.
So I'd love to know if this was a one off made in the 70s, or actually from the 60's and just been retrofitted with Shimano bits.
I have provided some pictures of lugs, serial, dropouts etc. and hope someone can help me!
Much appreciated :-)
Chris
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Chris,
on the facebook page I gave you a link to where they said that the records of all the Percy Stallard frames are held in the Wolverhampton Library, and these details are able to be accessed. Also the suggestion to join the V-CC and this allows you to see if the Stallard Marque Enthusiast has any suggestions on original components.
Did you follow that up?
Philip
this might help from the British National Archives
So a Z46004
may be read as Zacopane [model], 1964 [reversing the decade and year digits], 4th frame for the year?
from the PT Stallard page on Classic Lightweights:
so there may be more in Australia.
doing a search on the archive of Classic Rendezvous gives this from August 2006
disappointedly, there was no assistance recorded as being offered.
on the facebook page I gave you a link to where they said that the records of all the Percy Stallard frames are held in the Wolverhampton Library, and these details are able to be accessed. Also the suggestion to join the V-CC and this allows you to see if the Stallard Marque Enthusiast has any suggestions on original components.
Did you follow that up?
Philip
this might help from the British National Archives
Every frame or complete bicycle that was produced in P T Stallard's workshop between 1945 and 1972 was followed by a growing bundle of records, and virtually all of them survive. These bundles record the history of each item produced, from the inquiry to the delivery, and often well beyond. Repair dockets were collated with the production records, and we can see cycles being repaired or refurbished, sometimes during a decade or more from the date of delivery. The owner of a Stallard frame will almost certainly be able to trace the number stamped on it in these records. Some production took place also before the second world war, but of this only one tiny glimpse survives. The last entry in the series refers to a pre-war Stallard frame that was returned for re-enamelling in 1960! The numbers are organised in annual series, according to the year in which the frames were made. From 1945 until 1947 the first digit of the frame number corresponds to the last digit of the year, followed by one, two or three digits, giving the actual production number. From 1948 until 1957 the year number is derived in the same way, but now followed by three digits, so that the first frame is number 8001 etc. From 1958 until 1972 the year is indicated by the last two digits of the year in inverse order, giving 1958 as 85 etc. The only exception is 1967 which is given as 67. In later years the model was indicated in addition, by way of a prefix, without interfering with the sequence of the frame numbers. For instance, a Montlhery built in 1961 might be given the reference M16276.
may be read as Zacopane [model], 1964 [reversing the decade and year digits], 4th frame for the year?
from the PT Stallard page on Classic Lightweights:
Available direct from Percy Stallard, to special order and from limited stock, or through a network of approved dealers as a frameset or complete cycle, some were exported with Australia a favoured market where Percy’s brother Denis was the distributor
doing a search on the archive of Classic Rendezvous gives this from August 2006
hello members,
i am new to the CR list. does anyone out there have any information on
knight or stallard racing bikes. i have recently acquired one of each
and are looking for some background history, years made, and other
information. any information would be nice.
luke bartlett
wa, perth, western australia
i am new to the CR list. does anyone out there have any information on
knight or stallard racing bikes. i have recently acquired one of each
and are looking for some background history, years made, and other
information. any information would be nice.
luke bartlett
wa, perth, western australia
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Hi All,
I have 3 P.T.Stallard bikes.
2 Berwyn models and 1 Malvern.
Does anyone have any information or specifications about these bikes ? I'd like to be able to restore to original spec.
Best Regards
Rob
I have 3 P.T.Stallard bikes.
2 Berwyn models and 1 Malvern.
Does anyone have any information or specifications about these bikes ? I'd like to be able to restore to original spec.
Best Regards
Rob