unworthy1

well, folks...we seem to have a 26.8 seatpost (it would be better if you could actually find a number stamped on that post itself, rather than rely on caliper measurements which are hard to get accurately on these posts) and a welded-up forkcrown with no ridges in the steerer.
Based on these clues (and taking some leaps) I'd say it might be Italian with Columbus Aelle tubing and maybe Falck in the stays and fork.
Maker is up for grabs but probably from a large concern along the lines of Olmo, Atala, Torpado, etc. Not saying it's any of those but somebody like that...unfortunately, there's not much here to hang a name on!
One last thought: it probably originally had a cromovelato finish: clear tinted lacquer over the chrome plating.

bikingshearer 

Yeah, I saw that you also said that - the usual T-Mar thoroughness. As is almost always the case with these "what is it?" threads, it is a combinaion of factors, not one in isolation, that solves the mystery. I was just answering the specific question.

non-fixie 

I'd missed those bullet-shaped stay caps on the previous pics. I've seen those before: on my '79 Bianchi. Unknown (to me) model. Made in Italy, but with Huret/Ofmega/Normandy/Gipiemme parts and a 26.2 Condor seatpost probably not their top model at the time.

Luis of Mexico

EHello to all yours ..


Hols or Hi


I am Luis from Mexico , and I like to now how can help us to identify , my old " Made in Italy " bike without decals or metal plaques.


Thanks very much in advanced

Best regards from this 2013


Luis of Mexico

non-fixie 

Hello Louis, welcome to the forum. Best way would be to start a new thread here in the C&V forum with your questions and a LOT of (detailed) pictures of the bike. Good Luck!

fojo

Any chance it's a Miyata? They had 26.7 seatpost. Does the serial # on the BB shell provide any clues?

T-Mar

Not with a Italian threaded BB shell and a nonconfroming serial number format. Given the threading and post size, it's probably Columbus Aelle or Falck, as previously noted by Chombi, provided the post isn't undersize amd the cinch slot is squeezed.

fojo

Thanks. From my understanding, Aelle was an entry level tubing used primarily in the '80's. Given the quality of the rest of the specs of the frame, would it make sense to have aelle tubing? Researching Falck more.

T-Mar

Aelle was a introduced circa 1978 and intended for mid-range models. It was plain gauge and utilized a carbon manganese alloy. Falck had similar tubesets, so either are possible. It was not unusual for manufacturers to use Campagnolo dropouts on Falck and Columbus Aelle frames. Aelle started to fall out of popularity in the mid-1980s with the introduction of Matrix/Cromor and Aelle R, though some manufacturers did continue to use it. However, based on the absence of fittings such as brazed-on water bosses and shifter bosses, your frame most likely dates from the very late 1970s to the very early 1980s.

Edit: I'm going to revise my date estimate. I forgot about the long dropouts. Aelle, was introduced about the same time as the short dropouts, While the long dropouts continued to be offered, most seemed to opt for the shorter, lighter dropouts. This decreases the likelihood of it being Aelle. If it's Falk, it could extend back into the 1960s. Sales statistics alone would suggest the the most probable era is the early 1970s.

BTW, the pictured, non-drive side rear dropout looks a bit distorted in the picture. The front of the slot appears to be wider than the back, as if it has been pried open.

bertinjim 

The bullet shaped seatstay caps are quite distinctive. I only ever saw them before on an early 70s Italian built Chiorda.

Luis of Mexico

Thanks very much for al non fixie , but I can't send it the pictures by this way , my tablet not permit me put the attachment ..



If you pleas , send m one email I can put the pictures of my Italian bike




Bye bye for al the friends






Luis of Mexico

randyjawa 

The bullet style seat stay tops is suggestive of Italian build, and if the bottom bracket is Italian thread, then we are safe to say the bike is Italian, for now.

Many Italian bikes featured the bullet seat stay tops, including Bianchi, Torpado, Chiorda, Bottecchia, G. Piccini, Legnano, Maino, and Stucchi. These are all bikes that I have owned and taken pictures of. Some are included on my website.

Add to that that many small builders, who might never had made much of a claim to fame, used the bullet stays, such as those on my Stucchi and Maino. The point is, the bullet tops can do little to help nail down the pedigree of the bike.



The OP thinks that there must be a way to identify the bicycle but he, or she, might be wrong. Some bikes will never be positively identified, simply because they used frame parts that were readily available. A set of head badge holes might be a help but Campy drops mean nothing, other than reasonably good quality bicycle. The same goes for tubing type and just about anything else on the frame.

So, the bike is likely Italian and probably from the sixties or very early seventies - notice I said probably. It is fairly high quality but other features need to be shared to help determine that. Show us a good picture of the seat post clamp tabs, and ensure that we see the inside of them. My guess is that they are hollow rather than filled.

But I do know one thing, for sure, about the bike. I like it and it is a big cut above anything I have shown on this thread response. Nice find.

fojo

Thanks much randyjawa. Not sure what you mean by "seat post clamp tabs". I would be happy to snap a pic if I knew what that was.

non-fixie 

Sent you a PM.

non-fixie 

Update: Louis has sent me some pics, and I have posted them here. Interestingly enough, it has the same bullet-shaped seat stay caps:



Oh, and I asked him to show us the Magistroni stuff he says that's on it.