Have you been watching the Tour de France?
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I learned that all other athletes are ******* compared to the cyclists. They perform at 100% for 5 hours straight, in the sun, the rain, with crashes and 11,000 feet of climbing over 100 miles and then get up the next day and do it again and again over 23 days with 2 rest days.
Guys with broken collar bones that are taped, major road rash and broken bones. They don't go on the 15 day DL because of a stretched hamie, or I got hit in the hand with a pitch.
Boo f'ing hoo.
Anyone who finishes is a super star.
Even with a knee injury, he not only finishes, but take the final sprint.
Guys with broken collar bones that are taped, major road rash and broken bones. They don't go on the 15 day DL because of a stretched hamie, or I got hit in the hand with a pitch.
Boo f'ing hoo.
Anyone who finishes is a super star.
Even with a knee injury, he not only finishes, but take the final sprint.
But, tough as they are, they don't put in 100% effort for the full length of every ride. Much of the start of each stage is, by their standards, a gentle break-in for the day followed by tactical positioning (which in itself would be enough to kill most of us).
I agree with you on the comparison of dealing with injuries to sports like football (soccer) where players writhe around in agony over a kick and the next minute are charging around like a two-year old. They haven't yet learned that if you are in genuine agony you don't roll around, you lie still.
And the way they attack those descents shows real courage.
Anyway, I'm missing the Tour already.
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While I am of the TT temperament myself, to me the "heros" are guys like Geraint Thomas and Richie Porte. Those guys are tough. Total team players.
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Not watching the TDF, but I read about it now and then. Not much though lately...lol, I just checked and found out it's over.
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I totally agree. The GC winners would not be on the podium without guys like this. I'm just amazed at what these guys can do day after day. The domestiques that run around and get water bottles for everyone are incredible athletes as well. Most folks don't understand the energy it takes to do all that stuff they do.
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I thought the "tradition" was the fastest guy wins... Oh wait, that's the definition of "racing", not "Touring around France".
Then again, I stand by my perception supported by Froome's statement that he didn't ride to finish in ANY stage after he first got the Yellow Jersey. He rode to be close to his challengers - that's all. The rules and tradition allowed him to win just a single stage and still win the tour. I would like to see them return to the rules of 30 years ago - none of this "everyone getting the same time" if they cross the line close enough together. In Nascar, "rubbin' is racin'"; in bicycle racing, if you go down in the final sprint, it should be viewed as tough nuggies.
My opinion and I stand by it.
Then again, I stand by my perception supported by Froome's statement that he didn't ride to finish in ANY stage after he first got the Yellow Jersey. He rode to be close to his challengers - that's all. The rules and tradition allowed him to win just a single stage and still win the tour. I would like to see them return to the rules of 30 years ago - none of this "everyone getting the same time" if they cross the line close enough together. In Nascar, "rubbin' is racin'"; in bicycle racing, if you go down in the final sprint, it should be viewed as tough nuggies.
My opinion and I stand by it.
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Or maybe we should have them race around an oval wearing Confederate Flag jerseys?
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I watched the TDF like I have every year since the late 80's. I also watch the Spring Classics, the Giro, the Vuelta, and the races in between. Yeah, the sport has changed over the years, but what sport hasn't? I love cycling, and if I'm not doing it, I like watching it. As for the stupid commercials, I record the days race on my DVR, and fast forward thru the commercials.
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I thought the "tradition" was the fastest guy wins... Oh wait, that's the definition of "racing", not "Touring around France".
Then again, I stand by my perception supported by Froome's statement that he didn't ride to finish in ANY stage after he first got the Yellow Jersey. He rode to be close to his challengers - that's all. The rules and tradition allowed him to win just a single stage and still win the tour. I would like to see them return to the rules of 30 years ago - none of this "everyone getting the same time" if they cross the line close enough together. In Nascar, "rubbin' is racin'"; in bicycle racing, if you go down in the final sprint, it should be viewed as tough nuggies.
My opinion and I stand by it.
Then again, I stand by my perception supported by Froome's statement that he didn't ride to finish in ANY stage after he first got the Yellow Jersey. He rode to be close to his challengers - that's all. The rules and tradition allowed him to win just a single stage and still win the tour. I would like to see them return to the rules of 30 years ago - none of this "everyone getting the same time" if they cross the line close enough together. In Nascar, "rubbin' is racin'"; in bicycle racing, if you go down in the final sprint, it should be viewed as tough nuggies.
My opinion and I stand by it.
The race has evolved over the years to suit as many participants and fans as well. The only serious issue right now is the way ASO, the organization running the Tour scoops up almost all the revenue from the race. The teams are increasingly calling for some form of payback for their very costly investment. The Tour is prestigious enough for them to call all the shots, but the teams are clamoring for a piece of the action.
This is similar to Formula 1 right now. "Them that has, gets" and the organizers, followed by the very few top teams reap the bulk of the revenue. There used to be 22 cars in each race in F1, now they're lucky if they can put 18 on the starting grid. Only the first ten teams get prize money, a disincentive for any owner to join. The rules for change require a unanimous vote, so the top team can nullify ANY rule change and stay on top and screw the bottom teams, preventing them from ever becoming competitive. The viewership in F1 has dropped drastically.
The UCI needs to step in and put some order to both the haphazard racing schedule and require the major events which generate disproportionately large revenue to pay back the teams to ensure their continued support. NASCAR does that with Sprint cars and the next tier (sorry, I forgot the name of that category) As does Indy cars (and Indy lights).
It's impossible to throw every sporting event described as a 'race' into the same category with identical rules and objectives though.
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I thought the "tradition" was the fastest guy wins... Oh wait, that's the definition of "racing", not "Touring around France".
Then again, I stand by my perception supported by Froome's statement that he didn't ride to finish in ANY stage after he first got the Yellow Jersey. He rode to be close to his challengers - that's all. The rules and tradition allowed him to win just a single stage and still win the tour. I would like to see them return to the rules of 30 years ago - none of this "everyone getting the same time" if they cross the line close enough together. In Nascar, "rubbin' is racin'"; in bicycle racing, if you go down in the final sprint, it should be viewed as tough nuggies.
My opinion and I stand by it.
Then again, I stand by my perception supported by Froome's statement that he didn't ride to finish in ANY stage after he first got the Yellow Jersey. He rode to be close to his challengers - that's all. The rules and tradition allowed him to win just a single stage and still win the tour. I would like to see them return to the rules of 30 years ago - none of this "everyone getting the same time" if they cross the line close enough together. In Nascar, "rubbin' is racin'"; in bicycle racing, if you go down in the final sprint, it should be viewed as tough nuggies.
My opinion and I stand by it.
What Froome did was no different, in principle, from Floyd Mayweather getting ahead on points and then fighting defensively to maintain his lead to the finish rather than going for a more spectacular win and risking leaving his chin hanging out.
As for abandoning the system that everyone gets the same time if they cross the line in a bunch, that would make a small difference to the times while radically increasing the risk of injury by creating an incentive to sprint for 45th place on a crowded road in order to avoid losing a second. Bike racing is already a dangerous sport. If you prefer Nascar, that's fine. But criticising the TdF because it isn't like a car race is pretty odd.
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Being a teacher, I have the time in July to watch the race. I've even gone over to France to trek around and see some stages. Alp D'Huez was by far my favorite to watch, and then hike up to the town for the night time insanity. Now I DVR the live feed so I can FF the the increasingly large number of commercials. It also allows me to sleep in or do an early ride and watch while eating. I can't remember the last time I missed a stage, although I do now and then.