Recommendation for mid to high end hybrid
05-03-13, 04:28 PM
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Depends on the hub. First,they all require a 15mm to take the nuts off. After that,some bikes use horizontal or semi-vertical dropouts(like singlespeed/fixed gear bikes),some use vertical dropouts(like derailleur bikes) with sliders,an eccentric BB,or chain tensioner. Horz/semi-v dropouts are a pain because you have to pull the chain tight while keeping the wheel centered and tightening the nuts. Yes,I know there are plenty of SS/FG folks who do this no prob,but it isn't as easy as vertical dropouts. Then there's the shifter cable. SRAM had the right idea on their i-Motion hubs;they used a V-brake style bullet and gate for their 3spd,and a dovetail and sleeve for their 9spd. Shimano has the worst system ever. You have a cable with a nut on the end you thread through a grove and slide into a notch. You have to rotate the shift mechanism forward on the hub to get the nut in the notch,which can be a real pain. Not super fun to do at the side of a trail at night in the rain. SA uses and screw-in chain system,but none of the bikes you're looking at uses those hubs. Also note if the hub has a roller or drum brake;these add a second cable that must be disconnected,as well as a torque arm on the frame to unbolt.
IGH's aren't mechanic-level to remove and install,but they require much more effort than a derailleur with QR's.
Red herring,failure is rare.
Srsly. Bike fit is important no matter what you ride.
Not really. If you keep your tires aired up properly,use puncture protective tires,and watch where you ride,you can avoid most flats. But when you do get one,how much of a hassle to you want to deal with? I had derailleur bikes for my bad weather beaters,and just dealt with the extra upkeep. Bought an IGH bike this winter to use,then when I upgraded the tires I remembered why I didn't like dealing with IGH's. Had a flat once in the snow,and it sucked. If it had been on an IGH bike,it would have sucked hard. So basically,how do you want to work on your bike? Occasional upkeep,or wrenching when you need to pull the rear wheel?
It ticks off all the boxes you mentioned. Had one,really loved it,only sold it because it was a touch too small. Thought about getting another one,but really don't need any more bikes.
Shimano makes two Alfines,an 8spd and an 11spd. They also make an 8spd Nexus,which is a step or two down from the Alfine. Shimano also makes an entire Alfine groupo.
The Raleigh's CF fork will ride better,the 11spd will have a better gear range,and it will shift smoother. The brakes should work about the same,but the Shimano's are mineral oil while the Avid's are DOT,so the Shimano's should go longer between bleedings,and the juice won't damage paint.
Yes,I won't ride straight blade alloy any more. I do have mild CT,but I find it hard to believe people with good wrists are ok with the ride quality of alloy.
IGH's aren't mechanic-level to remove and install,but they require much more effort than a derailleur with QR's.
Srsly. Bike fit is important no matter what you ride.
edit:
no wait, there are two votes for the Raleigh now as well, and very slick looking too. with this and the Seek 0 i gotta admit i'm kinda feeling a preference for the matte gray look. major differences i see between them are: the Raleigh has a carbon fork (not sure if that's better or worse, really) and lesser hub; while the Seek 0 has an Al fork and the Shimano A8 hub. i don't know how their different brakes compare (Shimano Alfine & Avid Elixir 1).
edit again:
correction, the i11 has the better hub - the Alfine 11. i got confused because the Raleigh site listed it as Nexus 11spd, but i think the only 11spd they make is the Alfine. so hm, the wider ratio of 11 hub may put the Raleigh out front for me now.
no wait, there are two votes for the Raleigh now as well, and very slick looking too. with this and the Seek 0 i gotta admit i'm kinda feeling a preference for the matte gray look. major differences i see between them are: the Raleigh has a carbon fork (not sure if that's better or worse, really) and lesser hub; while the Seek 0 has an Al fork and the Shimano A8 hub. i don't know how their different brakes compare (Shimano Alfine & Avid Elixir 1).
edit again:
correction, the i11 has the better hub - the Alfine 11. i got confused because the Raleigh site listed it as Nexus 11spd, but i think the only 11spd they make is the Alfine. so hm, the wider ratio of 11 hub may put the Raleigh out front for me now.
The Raleigh's CF fork will ride better,the 11spd will have a better gear range,and it will shift smoother. The brakes should work about the same,but the Shimano's are mineral oil while the Avid's are DOT,so the Shimano's should go longer between bleedings,and the juice won't damage paint.
Yes,I won't ride straight blade alloy any more. I do have mild CT,but I find it hard to believe people with good wrists are ok with the ride quality of alloy.
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thanks, dynaryder. i have been doing more reading on IGH and i am indeed starting to get a little scared off. might need to wipe the slate clean and start over here, with the Jamis Coda Elite as the sole current contender. though i imagine some of the other ones mentioned above have a derailleur version. still uncertain about fork material too, though leaning carbon right now. so back to the wild web for me . . .
actually i'm starting to come around to this point of view. at first i didn't want the hassle of buying and selling, but the numbers are too tempting. it's not that my budget will go down. i still think the components i'm after will put me in the $1k range for the bike i end up with, which will still leave me with enough to cover the increased premiums for a while (those bastards).
Not sure how your insurance deal works, but if you're being granted some optimal amount of cash value for some selected bike, I'd get the most expensive bike I could find, sell it, and then get something a lot less expensive. That's especially so, if I was just averaging 15 miles per week!
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thanks, dynaryder. i have been doing more reading on IGH and i am indeed starting to get a little scared off. might need to wipe the slate clean and start over here, with the Jamis Coda Elite as the sole current contender. though i imagine some of the other ones mentioned above have a derailleur version. still uncertain about fork material too, though leaning carbon right now. so back to the wild web for me . . .
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anyone into the Dr. Dew? Elixir 3 disc brakes and Sram Via Centro. downside may be Al fork. Jamis Coda elite may still be in the lead with CF fork, but it's time i got out and tried some of these.
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Yep! Icksnay on the Dr. Dew Al fork!... Yuck!
Good money is on the Coda Elite!
05-05-13, 01:37 AM
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Aluminum, steel, carbon isn't all that important. A frame and fork can be as stiff or squishy as the manufacturer wants. AIt really comes down to the frame design. Since most new bikes now use hydroforming, its possible to tune the bikes to perform a certain way and tune it for certain characteristics.
05-05-13, 01:48 AM
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Have you considered a cross bike instead of a hybrid? Something like a Kona Rove maybe? That one is $1700 but a titanium version should be available shortly.
You can go pretty fast on a cross bike and you can fit 28 or 25mm tires if you like or you can go up to 35mm if not bigger on most cross bikes. The bikes I mentioned also come with disc brakes, though you may want to upgrade the ones on the Kona Jake.
You can go pretty fast on a cross bike and you can fit 28 or 25mm tires if you like or you can go up to 35mm if not bigger on most cross bikes. The bikes I mentioned also come with disc brakes, though you may want to upgrade the ones on the Kona Jake.
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Aluminum, steel, carbon isn't all that important. A frame and fork can be as stiff or squishy as the manufacturer wants. AIt really comes down to the frame design. Since most new bikes now use hydroforming, its possible to tune the bikes to perform a certain way and tune it for certain characteristics.
Have you considered a cross bike instead of a hybrid? Something like a Kona Rove maybe? That one is $1700 but a titanium version should be available shortly.
You can go pretty fast on a cross bike and you can fit 28 or 25mm tires if you like or you can go up to 35mm if not bigger on most cross bikes. The bikes I mentioned also come with disc brakes, though you may want to upgrade the ones on the Kona Jake.
You can go pretty fast on a cross bike and you can fit 28 or 25mm tires if you like or you can go up to 35mm if not bigger on most cross bikes. The bikes I mentioned also come with disc brakes, though you may want to upgrade the ones on the Kona Jake.
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Not sure how your insurance works but have you considered buying a bare frameset from a company like Surly, Soma or Salsa and then having it built up with exactly what you want? The Soma Double Cross Disc https://www.somafab.com/archives/prod...ble-cross-disc or Salsa https://salsacycles.com/bikes (they have several disc 700c bikes) would be good options.
Check out this Soma Saga Disc that someone has built up. A Double Cross could be done in a similar fashion.
The beauty of going this route is that the bike is exactly what you want, no compromises, and it's also unique. I'm going this route with a Handsome Cycles Devil. I'm into fat-tire comfort but given that it has road bike geometry, a simple tire swap is all I need for speedier riding.
Check out this Soma Saga Disc that someone has built up. A Double Cross could be done in a similar fashion.
The beauty of going this route is that the bike is exactly what you want, no compromises, and it's also unique. I'm going this route with a Handsome Cycles Devil. I'm into fat-tire comfort but given that it has road bike geometry, a simple tire swap is all I need for speedier riding.
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^ that did occur to me after reading about bike after bike that had one component that i wished were different. but i think a lot wil be revealed once i'm able to get out and ride some. i'm sure all the bikes suggested above are great and i'm pretty confident i'll find one that just feels right as is. all this reading and research has really helped me know what to look for, as opposed to just trusting what the sales dudes say (god forbid). so thanks to all for sharing your opinions & experience. i'll check back in after i ride a few.
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My wrists disagree. And my Dew Deluxe and former Dr Good have almost the exact same frame and fork,the only real difference being the fork material. Yes design is important,a straight blade alloy fork will ride horrible,a beefy properly curved one won't be so bad. But it doesn't make up for the fact that steel and CF soak up vibes better than aluminum.
Depends on the person and where they ride. Good wrists,smooth roads,just about anything will do. Bad wrists,bad roads,you'll want a good fork. Best bet is to test ride the bike and decide for yourself how the ride is.
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this is really gonna out me as serious noob (ship probably already sailed) but just so i'm clear: when you all say "steel" does that always mean CroMoly? (and the "alloy" is always aluminum, right?)
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i know i said i wasn't gonna ask for any more opinions until i ride some this week but i finally found another one: Orbea Carpe H10. it checks all the boxes, with CF fork and also appears to have a more upright posture than the Jamis Coda. nicer color too. this will be the first one i try.
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i know i said i wasn't gonna ask for any more opinions until i ride some this week but i finally found another one: Orbea Carpe H10. it checks all the boxes, with CF fork and also appears to have a more upright posture than the Jamis Coda. nicer color too. this will be the first one i try.
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Those look nice,but I've never seen any of the local shops stock Orbea hybrids,so you'll prolly have to special order one. Tried to get one of their full carbon hybrids a few years back,but the only shop carrying Orbea at the time refused to order one. BTW,one of the shops that carries Orbea is Big Wheels;avoid them. Only shop in the area I won't buy from again. I've been to all three locations and find them too sketch.
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Yup! The Coda Elite is an award-winning bike!
It's peerless when you consider components, performance, cost, and projected service life, altogether!
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There is hi-ten steel, which is just a fancy term for glavanized fencepost ...
There is Cro-mo, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-moly_steel which can be "Columbus" https://www.columbustubi.com/eng/3_3.htm brand or "Rynolds" brand... basically the Pepsi and Coke of cycling tubing ...
There is "alloy steel" and there is "aluminium alloy".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_alloy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy_steel
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In the price range you are considering, you owe it to yourself to check out "Spot Brand" - esp. the Acme and Ajax models. Seem to check all of your boxes.
https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/acme/ and https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/ajax/
ETA - here's your local dealer (from their website) https://www.thedailyriderdc.com/
https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/acme/ and https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/ajax/
ETA - here's your local dealer (from their website) https://www.thedailyriderdc.com/
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In the price range you are considering, you owe it to yourself to check out "Spot Brand" - esp. the Acme and Ajax models. Seem to check all of your boxes.
https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/acme/ and https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/ajax/
ETA - here's your local dealer (from their website) https://www.thedailyriderdc.com/
https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/acme/ and https://spotbrand.com/bikes/product-page/ajax/
ETA - here's your local dealer (from their website) https://www.thedailyriderdc.com/
edit: ok i got a chance to look at these and they are very nice indeed. but i've decided to avoid IGH afterall. thanks anyway.
you know it's actually pretty hard to find a higher end (nice components) hybrid with disc brakes that doesn't have IGH. and if i get picky about materials (fork, specifically) then it looks like i only have a couple to choose from. actually if the Orbea H10 proves unavailable that really leaves only the Coda Elite. and anyway i read the Orbea is quite heavy. so unless something goes really wrong i think it's gonna be the 2013 Code Elite.
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Yup,that's why I'm hanging onto my '04 Pt Reyes. And why I regret not getting the Dr Dew instead of the Dew Deluxe.
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ok so i finally got out to a LBS to ride some. didn't have much time so the ONLY bikes i rode were Jamis Coda series. bottom line: i loved the Coda Elite and have a 21" on order. should be a couple weeks. a few things:
Fit
this was really tricky because the internet absolutely insisted based on my height and inseam (5'10", 31-32") that a 19" hybrid would be more than large enough. but the 19" Elite they had just felt cramped. the seat had to be set so high (significantly higher than the height if the handlebars) that it looked stupid and i was leaning too far forward & my neck hurt while riding after just for a few minutes. otoh the 21" Coda Sport they had fit like, well, a glove, and not at all too much reach. i had a much more comfortable posture, though maybe a bit too upright but you could tell the stem was set too high so i would bring that down a bit. anyway i had to to sleep on it and go back a second time to verify my choice, but it was really obvious on the second visit the 21" is my size Elite.
Components
this is only a minor quibble really because i'm not gonna be using this bike as much as some of you all, but would you agree that the parts on this model fall into the "passable but not great" range, or "good bang for the buck"? this was not really my aim (again this is my opportunity to kinda splurge due to the insurance settlement), and doing some research it sorta looks like the weakest links will be the shifters and possibly the brakes. but even the derails are on the lower end of Shimano's line, no? anyway the bike is ordered with a 50% down payment so the ship has sailed. plus there really is no other bike that satisfies my needs with better components except maybe the Orbea Carpe H10, but that's an alloy frame anyway. so i'm really just peeing in the wind here probably. here's the full spec, what do you think?
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[TD="class: spectext"]Reynolds 520 double-butted chromoly main tubes, extended head tube with reinforced collars, double tapered cromo stays, custom laser cut disc dropouts with double eyelets
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[TD="class: spectext"]Carbon fiber unicrown with disc mount, aluminum steerer, low-rider carrier mounts, forged dropouts and single eyelet[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Chrome plated AheadSet, 1 1/8"[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Wheels[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Alex XC23 eyeleted disc specific rim, 32H, Shimano M475 6-bolt disc hubs with QR and 14g stainless steel spokes[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Vittoria Randonneur with Double Shielding puncture protection and reflective sidewalls, 700 x 32c[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano Deore M591 SGS rear and Deore M590 bottom-pull front
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[TD="class: basictext"]Shiftlevers[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano Alivio RapidFire Plus SL-M430, 27-Speed
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[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano 9-Speed 11-32T[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Crankset[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano FC-M521 triple, 48/36/26T, 170mm (15-17"), 175mm (19-23")[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]BB Set[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano Octalink cartridge, 68 x 113mm[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Pedals[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Full alloy platform, toe clip attachable[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Brakeset[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Tektro HDC-300 Hydraulic disc brakes with 160mm SL wave style rotors and Tektro brake levers[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Jamis flat bar, 6061 T-6 aluminum, 25.4 x 10° sweep x 580mm[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Stem[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]NVO Components TM-4 adjustable threadless system (ATS) forged aluminum stem, 25.4 x 10° x 90mm (15"), 105mm (17-19"), 115mm (21-23"). ATS shim length 100mm[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Anatomic double density kraton grip with end plug[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Jamis alloy micro-adjust, 27.2 x 350mm alloy clamp with QR seatpin[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Selle San Marco SPID Arrowhead with Syntex cover and carbon steel rails[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]15", 17", 19", 21", 23"[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]Black Coal[/TD]
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[TD="class: spectext"]26.75 lbs[/TD]
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Fit
this was really tricky because the internet absolutely insisted based on my height and inseam (5'10", 31-32") that a 19" hybrid would be more than large enough. but the 19" Elite they had just felt cramped. the seat had to be set so high (significantly higher than the height if the handlebars) that it looked stupid and i was leaning too far forward & my neck hurt while riding after just for a few minutes. otoh the 21" Coda Sport they had fit like, well, a glove, and not at all too much reach. i had a much more comfortable posture, though maybe a bit too upright but you could tell the stem was set too high so i would bring that down a bit. anyway i had to to sleep on it and go back a second time to verify my choice, but it was really obvious on the second visit the 21" is my size Elite.
Components
this is only a minor quibble really because i'm not gonna be using this bike as much as some of you all, but would you agree that the parts on this model fall into the "passable but not great" range, or "good bang for the buck"? this was not really my aim (again this is my opportunity to kinda splurge due to the insurance settlement), and doing some research it sorta looks like the weakest links will be the shifters and possibly the brakes. but even the derails are on the lower end of Shimano's line, no? anyway the bike is ordered with a 50% down payment so the ship has sailed. plus there really is no other bike that satisfies my needs with better components except maybe the Orbea Carpe H10, but that's an alloy frame anyway. so i'm really just peeing in the wind here probably. here's the full spec, what do you think?
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[TD="class: basictext, colspan: 2"]2013 Jamis Code Elite
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[TD="class: basictext, width: 73"]Frame
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[TD="class: spectext"]Reynolds 520 double-butted chromoly main tubes, extended head tube with reinforced collars, double tapered cromo stays, custom laser cut disc dropouts with double eyelets
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[TD="class: basictext"]Fork[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Carbon fiber unicrown with disc mount, aluminum steerer, low-rider carrier mounts, forged dropouts and single eyelet[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Headset[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Chrome plated AheadSet, 1 1/8"[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Wheels[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Alex XC23 eyeleted disc specific rim, 32H, Shimano M475 6-bolt disc hubs with QR and 14g stainless steel spokes[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Tires[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Vittoria Randonneur with Double Shielding puncture protection and reflective sidewalls, 700 x 32c[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Derailleurs[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano Deore M591 SGS rear and Deore M590 bottom-pull front
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[TD="class: basictext"]Shiftlevers[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano Alivio RapidFire Plus SL-M430, 27-Speed
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[TD="class: basictext"]Chain[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Cassette[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano 9-Speed 11-32T[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Crankset[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano FC-M521 triple, 48/36/26T, 170mm (15-17"), 175mm (19-23")[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]BB Set[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Shimano Octalink cartridge, 68 x 113mm[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Pedals[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Full alloy platform, toe clip attachable[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Brakeset[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Tektro HDC-300 Hydraulic disc brakes with 160mm SL wave style rotors and Tektro brake levers[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Handlebar[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Jamis flat bar, 6061 T-6 aluminum, 25.4 x 10° sweep x 580mm[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Stem[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]NVO Components TM-4 adjustable threadless system (ATS) forged aluminum stem, 25.4 x 10° x 90mm (15"), 105mm (17-19"), 115mm (21-23"). ATS shim length 100mm[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Grips[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Anatomic double density kraton grip with end plug[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Seat Post[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Jamis alloy micro-adjust, 27.2 x 350mm alloy clamp with QR seatpin[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Saddle[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Selle San Marco SPID Arrowhead with Syntex cover and carbon steel rails[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Sizes[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]15", 17", 19", 21", 23"[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Color[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]Black Coal[/TD]
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[TD="class: basictext"]Weight[/TD]
[TD="class: spectext"]26.75 lbs[/TD]
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Last edited by Cyclist755; 05-13-13 at 08:34 AM.