Brian

Oh. I got my XTR stuff for free.

We're on top of that other issue right now.

Raiyn

Now that is good value
Good to know. More extreme measures have proven themselves to be needed

Drunken Chicken

That's very true, there's always someone willing to pay more than you.

Raiyn

Fine. Sram PG-990 is $60 the XTR is $160 Your arguement is STILL busted.

Jim311

I don't think Titanium is a very hard metal, either. So if anything it would wear more quickly.

Tequila Joe

Cassette reviews at MTBR

12 for SRAM PG-990 = 3.08 / 5
https://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Cassette...t_124169.shtml

135 for XT = 3.99 / 5
https://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Cassette...ct_20584.shtml

107 for XTR = 3.79 /5
https://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Cassette...ct_20585.shtml


Price Point Cassette Pricing
https://www.pricepoint.com/thumb.htm?...sort=styleName

2005 SRAM PG-990 - $60
XT - $76
XTR - $156

JensonUSA Cassette Pricing
https://www.jensonusa.com/store/sub/128-Cassettes.asp

2006 SRAM PG-990 - $79
2005 SRAM PG-990 - $60
XT - $76
XTR - $156

You can't compare XTR vs. PG-990 because XTR's 4 largest cogs are made with Titanium for the extreme wieght weenies. This is reflected in the price of XTR. The PG-990 is all steel which is more comparable with the all steel XT cassette.

I'll take a XT over PG-990 & XTR any day.

T.J.

Brian

Not by a long shot. Call your LBS and ask if they can face the headtube and BB on a titanium frame. And can they chase the BB. It's very hard, and not friendly to tool steel. We used it for disc brake rotors, and the pads lasted about 200km. It wears very well.

Jim311

SRAM 990 - 280 grams - 70 bucks

Shimano XTR - 240 grams - 156 dollars



If 40 grams is worth more than twice the price to you, then the XTR is better. Otherwise, the XT and SRAM are virtually identical in terms of price and weight.

Tequila Joe

The SRAM & XT cassettes are comparable for price & weight but, according to the reviews on MTBR, you are more likey to bend the cogs on the SRAM.

Jim311

You put a little too much weight on what a bunch of random people on the internet think about various components. I've run lots of awesome stuff that everyone on MTBR said sucked. Real life experience > strangers from the internet

nav

(Insert reflective, confused pauses.) But, but we're a bunch of random people on the internet discussing various components...

Tequila Joe

Your right, all opinions posted on the internet by 1000's of random people on thier real life experiences with various components do not count at all.
BTW, Who are you again? Another random internet voice?

T.J.

Jim311

Yep, another random internet voice. The point is.. what works for you might not work for somebody else. Plus, there are reviews on components that span from 2 or 3 years ago on some components. Flaws that may have been fixed by the manufacturer are still on there. Plus, if you ask me, you're more likely to get online and bash a product than you are to sing it's praises. Some really good stuff has ****ty ratings over there. I remember when tubeless first came out people were complaining about it being hard to mount the tires.. people were giving everything tubebless bad reviews

Tequila Joe

So, are you saying people tend to bash crappy products rather than praise it?

MTBR Ratings: SRAM = 3.09, XT = 3.99, XTR = 3.79

Enough said....

T.J.

Raiyn

Applesauce. I've run SRAM cassettes and chains for years with no issues.
12 people do not equal "1000's".

I'd sooner take the word of someone I can interact with here than some random Jabrone on MTBR

Tequila Joe

Applesauce??? Thanks for sharing your experience but there are other folks that have run SRAM cassettes/chains for years and have had major issues. (Myself included) Does your positive experience with SRAM overule everyone else's?

Read the post again. The reference to "1000's of random people" was in the context of real life experiences with "various components" not just SRAM cassettes.

Hmmmm.... your intereacting with me on BF..... (Cautious question coming... be careful now) are you calling the folks that post on MTBR Jabrones?

It's funny how some folks religiously defend thier bike / componet manufacturer they use just because they ARE using it. If someone is told that thier ****** is not as good as another, it's like insulting them personally. They end up getting pissed off and defensive and start calling people names.

Bike Forums are for folks to share experiences. I'm sharing mine and refered to others on another forum. Don't take things personally.

T.J.

Raiyn

I doubt that. People who have "major issues" with a product more than once do not continue to use that product for "years"
I have a better perspective on it than many due to my profession
That's what you attacked Sparky. If there were thousands of reviews on the part I'd be swayed. 12 people isn't a representative sample of a customer base that bought thousands of the part
MTBR allows RANDOM non members to post reviews. There's no accountability.
Not only do I use it, I recommend it to my customers
You made a claim based on a MTBR review that "You're more likely to bend a cog with SRAM". I refuted that claim with my personal and professional experience
You're the only one taking it personally bub. Trust me you'd know if I was mad at you.

Tequila Joe

This is why bike forums are fun. Everyone has an opinion and many need to preach.

The tone of your post does sound like you are a bit miffed, not mad though. I've never been called "Sparky" before. I'm not here to piss people off, just discuss cycling. So, instead of posting again, (although tempting as hell) I can leave well enough alone except for one thing;

I was stuck using SRAM for a few years because it did not make financial sense to switch the entire 1:1 system for 2:1 at the time. I waited until I bought my latest MTB.

Cheers

T.J.

Next topic:
Martin Gelina's goal was IN the Lightning net in game six. The replay cameras were not absolute so play went on. However, after the game still camera photo's clearly showed the puck in the net. Flames won the cup in game six

LBmtb

My next upgrade will be x.9 rear and x.9 triggers. This is coming from xt rear and LX shifters. I try to keep an open mind so I wanna feel what the sram buzz is all about.

Tequila Joe

SRAM triggers are nice. (See, I'm not totally against SRAM)
However, I'm not a fan of thier grip shifters or deraileurs.
(Please don't ask why because you'll get me started again and I've already been called "Sparky" once today)

T.J.

Raiyn

Nice try. You could have changed the cassette at any time for a Shimano
More trolling?
Hmmm funny even the commentators retracted their statements after ABC did a bit of computer animation based on all the evidence provided by the exact same camera angles that the officials had.
This was also interesting:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHL.com

And while disappointed, Sutter agreed that replays couldn't tell the tale on this one.

"No, I looked at it and that's got to be a conclusive play," Sutter said. "I looked at it from two different angles and unless they have a different one, you can't say that's a goal. ? You can't argue that point."

No you really can't. If I know anything about Coach Sutter at all he would have stuck up for his guys if the wrong call was made.
Go squeeze your sour grapes elsewhere

Brian

Give it a rest. Really.

Raiyn

Gripshifts are one of those things you either love or hate. Personally I don't like them either, but my girlfriend chooses to run them. The older derailieurs did have some issues especially in the early days of Grillion. The new stuff works just FINE .
Of course none of what you commented on has anything to do with cassettes in the slightest
This is just like the Campy / Shimano threads in the Road section. To paraphrase a line from "BeBe's Kids" They don't die! They MULTIPLY

Jim311

Werd on the no-accountability thing when it comes to MTBR. Like I said.. there are reviews from 2004 on products that were COMPLETELY revamped since then.. THIS CASSETTE INCLUDED! It doesn't even use the same style carrier. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that 12 reviews (like 5 of which were from 2004 on a completely different product) isn't enough information to base ANY sort of comparison between the two cassettes on. For one, you'll notice there are no negative reviews on the NEW cassettes. It's not really fair to base your comparison based on like TWO people on MTBR who had a negative experience with a completely different product almost 2 years ago. Especially when reviews on the Shimano cassette are FAR more numerous. I also noticed that there are THREE completely different reviews for the XT cassette. You conveniently chose the review from the one that has reviews from as far back as 1996! Not the review on the M760 cassette that Shimano is currently producing. The review for the 760 cassette rates at a solid 3.18, very close to the SRAM cassette. All this stuff I've listed is reason enough to believe MTBR has as much misleading information as you can find on the internet. Old reviews, reviews on products that should have been placed in different sections, reviews from people who aren't even REGISTERED at MTBR (read: no accountability) all adds up to a flawed system if that's what you're basing your opinions on. I decided a long time ago that MTBR was a poor way to choose what you ride. Run whatever cassette you want, but realize that MTBR is shltty.

XC Down Under

Wow, what can I say but thanks for all of the constructive input, very illuminating.