What's good in modern tubular rims?
08-20-15, 07:06 PM
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To the people who lauded over their cheap Chinese rims, good and bad: I asked for one of you to share the brand of the cheap Chinese rim to help me be able to shop with some confidence, but no response. Sorry, not thanks for you. I will be damned if I'm gonna experiment with a bunch of unknown rims made of unknown carbon structure (I do know something about composite design) and expect to have great and safe wheels.
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08-20-15, 07:16 PM
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Check out this link, it might have a few you haven't looked at.Rims - Wheel Products-tubular-Aluminum
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Did he have sock puppets, or are you just referring to other trolls?
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As the OP, I can say it's actually supposed to be about tubular rims, not tubulars, B-screws, tubular clinchers, open tubulars, or B-screws and derailleur specs. Or glue. Or pre-built wheels.
To the person who suggested getting GP-4s, I broke a spoke on a beautifully built GP-4 wheel, and like every other good vintage part, another NOS one will be hard to find - but I would like to find one. Yes, in my opinion as a porkish road rider who just wants to fix his wheel, that is still the go-to rim. Road-hugging weight has its price!
To the person who suggested Velocity tubular rims, thanks a million! That's the kind of thing I've been wanting to learn.
To the people who lauded over their cheap Chinese rims, good and bad: I asked for one of you to share the brand of the cheap Chinese rim to help me be able to shop with some confidence, but no response. Sorry, not thanks for you. I will be damned if I'm gonna experiment with a bunch of unknown rims made of unknown carbon structure (I do know something about composite design) and expect to have great and safe wheels.
To the person who suggested getting GP-4s, I broke a spoke on a beautifully built GP-4 wheel, and like every other good vintage part, another NOS one will be hard to find - but I would like to find one. Yes, in my opinion as a porkish road rider who just wants to fix his wheel, that is still the go-to rim. Road-hugging weight has its price!
To the person who suggested Velocity tubular rims, thanks a million! That's the kind of thing I've been wanting to learn.
To the people who lauded over their cheap Chinese rims, good and bad: I asked for one of you to share the brand of the cheap Chinese rim to help me be able to shop with some confidence, but no response. Sorry, not thanks for you. I will be damned if I'm gonna experiment with a bunch of unknown rims made of unknown carbon structure (I do know something about composite design) and expect to have great and safe wheels.
There are some resellers that are better known than others, Hong-fu, Deng-fu, Yoeleo, etc. If you think that would be more reliable than an ebay seller of same, go for it.
Wait a minute, I just reread your post above. Why are you trying to buy a rim because of a broken spoke? Why not just buy a spoke?
08-21-15, 05:50 AM
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08-21-15, 06:37 AM
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08-21-15, 06:54 AM
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They may not be the most cutting edge wheel out there, but I have a set of Boyd Cycling carbon tubular wheels and they've been absolutely rock solid. I've beat the hell out of them and they haven't complained even once. And the price was pretty hard to beat.
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08-22-15, 08:26 AM
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Correct. The way BF so often sings the praises of Velocity rims makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. If you want a wide alloy tubular, the HED Belgium is well worth the premium over the Velocity Major Tom.
08-22-15, 05:17 PM
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You obviously don't get the situation with the Chinese carbon products. In order to go with them, you have to get over the brand-name vs. unknown thing. It is all about unknown. If that is not for you, fine, but don't blame the problem on the rest of us. There are no brand names in the Chinese rim thing.
There are some resellers that are better known than others, Hong-fu, Deng-fu, Yoeleo, etc. If you think that would be more reliable than an ebay seller of same, go for it.
Wait a minute, I just reread your post above. Why are you trying to buy a rim because of a broken spoke? Why not just buy a spoke?
There are some resellers that are better known than others, Hong-fu, Deng-fu, Yoeleo, etc. If you think that would be more reliable than an ebay seller of same, go for it.
Wait a minute, I just reread your post above. Why are you trying to buy a rim because of a broken spoke? Why not just buy a spoke?
Regarding the Chinese rims, it's not a brand name thing, it's a confidence thing. You can surely understand that one might see risk in an unknown product.
I've never seen a Kinlin rim, but I have seen many Velocity's, and my builder recommends them sometimes.
What is so great about Kinlin? I'm not a cynic, I just don't hang out at the LBS much anymore. I work. And I take what I read on the Net, even BF, with a grain of salt and consider the source always.
08-22-15, 07:03 PM
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Because the rim is damaged, somewhat pretzeled. However, the builder will try to just replace the spoke and see if he can get the rim to set up right. If that does not work out, I'll want to replace the rim.
Regarding the Chinese rims, it's not a brand name thing, it's a confidence thing. You can surely understand that one might see risk in an unknown product.
I've never seen a Kinlin rim, but I have seen many Velocity's, and my builder recommends them sometimes.
What is so great about Kinlin? I'm not a cynic, I just don't hang out at the LBS much anymore. I work. And I take what I read on the Net, even BF, with a grain of salt and consider the source always.
Regarding the Chinese rims, it's not a brand name thing, it's a confidence thing. You can surely understand that one might see risk in an unknown product.
I've never seen a Kinlin rim, but I have seen many Velocity's, and my builder recommends them sometimes.
What is so great about Kinlin? I'm not a cynic, I just don't hang out at the LBS much anymore. I work. And I take what I read on the Net, even BF, with a grain of salt and consider the source always.
About Chinese stuff, sure you are entitled to be concenrned. My point is that means they are not for you.
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08-23-15, 05:49 AM
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Kinlins are lighter cheaper, rounder and flatter than Velocity rims. They make up true easier than Velocity. And they make up with more even spoke tension. Look 'em up on BikeHubStore.com.
About Chinese stuff, sure you are entitled to be concenrned. My point is that means they are not for you.
About Chinese stuff, sure you are entitled to be concenrned. My point is that means they are not for you.
Any insights about rider weight with the Kinlins? I'm not tall, but not light, either. But my hubs are 32 holes, so I'll use 32 hole rims.
I assume "flatter" means less radial runout and "rounder" means less radial runout? Do you build wheels? Otherwise, how do you know?
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I'm by no means married to Velocity, in fact I don't have any except on a 650b. The only brand I have used a lot of is Mavic, the vintage MA-4 and GP-4. I saw on the site about Kinlin being lighter and cheaper than Brand V. They are also lighter than GP-4, which is what I was riding when the spoke broke, and way cheaper than NOS GP-4.
Any insights about rider weight with the Kinlins? I'm not tall, but not light, either. But my hubs are 32 holes, so I'll use 32 hole rims.
I assume "flatter" means less radial runout and "rounder" means less radial runout? Do you build wheels? Otherwise, how do you know?
Any insights about rider weight with the Kinlins? I'm not tall, but not light, either. But my hubs are 32 holes, so I'll use 32 hole rims.
I assume "flatter" means less radial runout and "rounder" means less radial runout? Do you build wheels? Otherwise, how do you know?
As for rider weight, you don't have to worry about that with 32 spokes. You will be fine. Back when all single bike road wheels were 32 or 36 spokes, nobody ever talked about rider weight. If you are still concerned you can go a little deeper profile, like 27 mm or 30 mm, but that is just extra weight and I wouldn't bother.
Yes, I build lots of wheels for myself and for other folks. Some for free, some for pay. I was building with Velocity way back (as the song goes) when Velocity wasn't cool.
08-23-15, 10:14 AM
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The final generation of traditional tubular rims from Ambrosiso were the best ever IMHO. The Chrono for light riders on smooth courses and the most excellent Nemesis designed for Pros on the pave' which would serve well for heavier recreational riders who choose tubulars. These are readily available today, perhaps not tomorrow.
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08-23-15, 10:43 AM
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Off topic, but does anyone have the BDop alloy tubular wheel kit? I may order it this week. By my calculations it should come out to @ 1500g for the wheelset with TB25 rims. Those ABG freehubs look pretty sweet. Not bad for $240.
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Thanks for the Kinlin information, I may buy a pair, since I am considering a build over the winter.
