2ndGen

Dura Ace 7850 VS Mavic Ksyrium Elite Wheelset...

Which set for aggressive training, centuries, riding through hard roads?

200lb rider/CAAD9.

kimconyc

Psimet.

bonz50

hahaha, only one reply to get to that one...

kimconyc

Yeah, but it wasn't meant to be funny.

kimconyc

Those two wheels are so different and in different classes in terms of weight, price, design, etc. it's like asking which car should I get: a Ferrari 458 or a Bentley Continental GT?

bonz50

oh, i know, i just found it funny that it came up so quick

roccobike

The DA's are priced higher which means they must be better.

longbeachgary

Jeez, the 7850's are almost 5 times the price of the Elites. Save your money and get the Elites.

2ndGen

Price aside, which of the two fit the requirements I listed better?

I need to know like ASAP.

2ndGen

$3,000. for DA's?
(Ksyriums are $600.)

Forget price...which set is better?

I mean, the DA hubs alone cost what a set of Ksyriums cost and knowing Shimano's great rep with their DA 7800 line, I could feel
comfortable knowing that I have a set of wheels that will last me a good long time (whatever that is for the kind of riding I do).

Again, time is of the essence here.

pennstater

I have both. Not even close. Dura Ace.

But, I only paid about 660.00 for the set (Scandium tubeless rims).

kimconyc

I have the DA WH-7850-C24-CL (I am assuming this is the model you are talking about) but I'm not sure if I would recommend them to someone 200lbs or with a lot of power. First, there are very few spokes (16/20 straight pull) and I would imagine that the cost for a broken spoke on these wheels is astronomical. Second, these wheels are meant to be more light-weight than durable as the braking surface is nicely machined but not really robust.

The Ksyrium Elites are like a Honda Accord or a Budweiser lager. It does the job and is a very popular wheel because it works but it's just so blah in so many ways--another wheel with ridiculously overpriced spokes should you need one.

You listed that you wanted a wheel for:
- aggressive training
- centuries
- riding through hard roads

There are just so many better options out there for less money.

For example, something like DT Swiss RR 465 rims (or something from Velocity or Kinlin), Ultegra hubs, DT Swiss Comp spokes.

Or if you want to spend more money, get better hubs like White Industry, DT Swiss, Alchemy, Chris King, Dura-Ace, etc. and aero/lightweight spokes like Sapim CX-Ray or DT Swiss Aerolite.

This is why I recommended contacting Psimet (or any other reputable wheel builder).

Your requirements seem pretty basic and it's highly probably that you can get a lot more wheel for less money than the 2 options listed.

kimconyc

If you are truly riding through rough roads, both the radially laced DA and Mavic wheels will have their front wheels knocked out of true eventually.

2ndGen

$600. bucks for new Dura Ace 7850's.

"Now" do you see why I'm kind of ansy?

2ndGen

I think I will let this deal pass.

2ndGen

Yep...that's what I thought too.

Think I'm going to go with Plan A:

1. Set of cheap trainer wheels that are much lighter than my current set (CXP23's @ 2250g VS BWW Blacksets @ 1450g).
2. Set of used Zipps for longer rides for about $1K in the Spring.

I wouldn't use blingy wheels in this weather anyway.

Calming down...digressing...inhale/exhale, inhale/exhale...

nacler22

+1

kimconyc

Unless you race, doesn't it sound funny saying you are trying to get some "trainer wheels", unless you are using them on a trainer?

Why not just use what you have, ride them to the ground, and get some Zipps for fair weather, if those are the wheels you really want?

New Zipps (with a warranty) will cost the same amount as used Zipps and a set of BWW wheels.

I don't get why you are getting another set of clinchers and then also Zipps. Am I missing something?

2ndGen

You are correct sir!
(in an Ed McMahon voice)

Meant "training" set. For a trainer, I'm going to use the current rear wheel with the take off OEM tires.

Why "not" roll with the OEM wheelset I have now? Because they suck IMO. And, they're heavy.
The first advice I learned over and over and over was that a lighter & better built
wheelset would dramatically improve the experience one would have on a road bike.

"New" Zipps? Can't do that now. 2500 beans is a lot for me right now.
I was thinking a $600. set of aluminum clinchers, then saw how affordable used Zipps are.
So, I've decided to scrap the $600. set and go for a $350. set to get my bike where I want it to be.

Getting a much lighter set to drop mucho weight from my bike (nearly 2lbs).
Getting a much nicer set when the weather turns gorgeous (Spring/Summer).