S-Works Tarmac
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Long Island
Posts: 664
Bikes: 2017 Tarmac Pro, 2014 S-Works Tarmac, 2011 Trek Madone 6.2, 2014 Trek Madone 5.9 & 2009 Specialized Hardtail
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
S-Works Tarmac
If I build from frame up anything wrong with using Roval CX 40 wheels and Ultegra Di2?
Would use Zipp or Ritchey carbon bars/stem and Look Keo Blade pedals
I don't race but would I be cheating my experience by not going Dura Ace Di2 and Zipp or Enve?
Thanks
Would use Zipp or Ritchey carbon bars/stem and Look Keo Blade pedals
I don't race but would I be cheating my experience by not going Dura Ace Di2 and Zipp or Enve?
Thanks
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Potomac, MD
Posts: 776
Bikes: 2012 GT Transeo 3 2014 Cannondale CAAD 10 105
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
if you're not racing it, why go all out on costs (unless you just want to spend money?)...
it'd help if you had a specific goal to justify the costs... you know... sub 15lbs or something like that.
otherwise ultegra or even plain dura ace would more than satisfy a normal cyclist. and a basic set of clinchers or even a less expensive set of carbons would be more than overkill
it'd help if you had a specific goal to justify the costs... you know... sub 15lbs or something like that.
otherwise ultegra or even plain dura ace would more than satisfy a normal cyclist. and a basic set of clinchers or even a less expensive set of carbons would be more than overkill
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Rep. of Dallas
Posts: 1,062
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Riding anything other than the Enve catalog and SR EPS is a mistake. What's the point in riding if it can't be done with that group and wheels?
#5
Voice of the Industry
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1188 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
After much soul searching and testing Di2 and DA 9000, I have decided on DA 9000 and am starting to gather parts. I will tell you both are incredibly good. I am driven largely by hood ergos and there isn't a lot of difference between new DA and Di2...same hood shape. As to shifting difference, DA is so very good that I don't see a big advantage to Di2. So it comes down to ease of shifting and Di2 has be given the nod there...versus tactile feedback from the shifter and you can't beat mechanical in that regard versus a button and servo. Just one gearhead's opinion. Both are amazing. I will learn over time if Shimano nailed the firmness of the hoods compared to Campy. Shape of new Shimano hoods is very good but shape isn't the whole equation. Can only learn that over a thousand miles or so.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
Last edited by Campag4life; 03-10-14 at 03:27 PM.
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,159
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Nope, the wheels are great, and everything else is pretty up there. it should do well.
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 3,078
Bikes: Roubaix SL4 Expert , Cervelo S2
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
I'd probably go with Zipp 303's or 404's over the Roval wheels. You can get Zipp's for around $2k or slightly less if you wait for a good deal.
#8
Full Member
Are you building a bike by committee here? You've got threads going for the frame, wheels, drivetrain and bars.
Are you cheating yourself or missing out on "something" by not going with all top of the range components? Yup, you are...but what you're missing out on is marginal, at best, in the whole experience of riding a bike. I can tell you from experience, owning and riding a bike with Ultegra Di2 doesn't fill me with regret or keep me up at night. I could afford to build up a Felt FRD frame with Dura Ace Di2, and it'd be maybe 1.25lbs lighter than my current bike...and I wouldn't be any faster or enjoy riding it any more.
So decide for yourself at what point the bragging rights for having nice stuff aren't worth it and how much money spent on a bike that you're not getting paid to ride is too much.
Are you cheating yourself or missing out on "something" by not going with all top of the range components? Yup, you are...but what you're missing out on is marginal, at best, in the whole experience of riding a bike. I can tell you from experience, owning and riding a bike with Ultegra Di2 doesn't fill me with regret or keep me up at night. I could afford to build up a Felt FRD frame with Dura Ace Di2, and it'd be maybe 1.25lbs lighter than my current bike...and I wouldn't be any faster or enjoy riding it any more.
So decide for yourself at what point the bragging rights for having nice stuff aren't worth it and how much money spent on a bike that you're not getting paid to ride is too much.
#9
Redefining Lazy
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: North Metro, MN
Posts: 1,923
Bikes: 2013 Cannondale Synapse 5 105, 2013 Giant Escape 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
After much soul searching and testing Di2 and DA 9000, I have decided on DA 9000 and am starting to gather parts. I will tell you both are incredibly good. I am driven largely by hood ergos and there isn't a lot of difference between new DA and Di2...same hood shape. As to shifting difference, DA is so very good that I don't see a big advantage to Di2. So it comes down to ease of shifting and Di2 has be given the nod there...versus tactile feedback from the shifter and you can't beat mechanical in that regard versus a button and servo. Just one gearhead's opinion. Both are amazing. I will learn over time if Shimano nailed the firmness of the hoods compared to Campy. Shape of new Shimano hoods is very good but shape isn't the whole equation. Can only learn that over a thousand miles or so.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
S
#10
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Long Island
Posts: 664
Bikes: 2017 Tarmac Pro, 2014 S-Works Tarmac, 2011 Trek Madone 6.2, 2014 Trek Madone 5.9 & 2009 Specialized Hardtail
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Just gathering advice and info so I can decide
Love the frame and want to build it up the right way
Love the frame and want to build it up the right way
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque,New Mexico
Posts: 260
Bikes: 14 Wilier zero7,13 Fuji Altimira SL,10 Fuji SL1RC,09 Yeti Mtb
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
After much soul searching and testing Di2 and DA 9000, I have decided on DA 9000 and am starting to gather parts. I will tell you both are incredibly good. I am driven largely by hood ergos and there isn't a lot of difference between new DA and Di2...same hood shape. As to shifting difference, DA is so very good that I don't see a big advantage to Di2. So it comes down to ease of shifting and Di2 has be given the nod there...versus tactile feedback from the shifter and you can't beat mechanical in that regard versus a button and servo. Just one gearhead's opinion. Both are amazing. I will learn over time if Shimano nailed the firmness of the hoods compared to Campy. Shape of new Shimano hoods is very good but shape isn't the whole equation. Can only learn that over a thousand miles or so.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
#13
Falls Downalot
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: DC
Posts: 3,103
Bikes: Now I Got Two
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
if you're not racing it, why go all out on costs (unless you just want to spend money?)...
it'd help if you had a specific goal to justify the costs... you know... sub 15lbs or something like that.
otherwise ultegra or even plain dura ace would more than satisfy a normal cyclist. and a basic set of clinchers or even a less expensive set of carbons would be more than overkill
it'd help if you had a specific goal to justify the costs... you know... sub 15lbs or something like that.
otherwise ultegra or even plain dura ace would more than satisfy a normal cyclist. and a basic set of clinchers or even a less expensive set of carbons would be more than overkill
#16
Voice of the Industry
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1188 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BObnTv4zdRE
Last edited by Campag4life; 03-11-14 at 05:59 AM.
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 28,682
Bikes: 1990 Romic Reynolds 531 custom build, Merlin Works CR Ti custom build, super light Workswell 066 custom build
Mentioned: 109 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6556 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 58 Times
in
36 Posts
After much soul searching and testing Di2 and DA 9000, I have decided on DA 9000 and am starting to gather parts. I will tell you both are incredibly good. I am driven largely by hood ergos and there isn't a lot of difference between new DA and Di2...same hood shape. As to shifting difference, DA is so very good that I don't see a big advantage to Di2. So it comes down to ease of shifting and Di2 has be given the nod there...versus tactile feedback from the shifter and you can't beat mechanical in that regard versus a button and servo. Just one gearhead's opinion. Both are amazing. I will learn over time if Shimano nailed the firmness of the hoods compared to Campy. Shape of new Shimano hoods is very good but shape isn't the whole equation. Can only learn that over a thousand miles or so.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
As to Tarmac S-works, I am thinking about building one a well as a stable mate for my Roubaix Pro which is an amazing bike.
In summary, I would say you are definitely on the right page.
Share the build here when you do it.
#18
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque,New Mexico
Posts: 260
Bikes: 14 Wilier zero7,13 Fuji Altimira SL,10 Fuji SL1RC,09 Yeti Mtb
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
C4L, I think your post above is the first I have seen on BF where tactile feedback is mentioned and proposed as a positive difference between mechanical and electronic shifting. I have no experience of my own with electronic to draw from so I am really just opening this up for more discussion. I understand how feedback is important with mechanical since it is valuable for getting the shift right on the gear you want. (With SRAM Double Tap it is extremely important to upshift or downshift respectively as you are trying to do since the same lever is used for both.) But with electronic it would seem to the uninitiated that feedback would be superfluous given the exactness of the system without guidance from the rider. Would you mind discussing in a little more detail why you miss the feedback in the DI2? Are you saying there is a positive result from feeling the chain movement transmitted back through the derailleurs and cables?
#19
Voice of the Industry
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1188 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
C4L, I think your post above is the first I have seen on BF where tactile feedback is mentioned and proposed as a positive difference between mechanical and electronic shifting. I have no experience of my own with electronic to draw from so I am really just opening this up for more discussion. I understand how feedback is important with mechanical since it is valuable for getting the shift right on the gear you want. (With SRAM Double Tap it is extremely important to upshift or downshift respectively as you are trying to do since the same lever is used for both.) But with electronic it would seem to the uninitiated that feedback would be superfluous given the exactness of the system without guidance from the rider. Would you mind discussing in a little more detail why you miss the feedback in the DI2? Are you saying there is a positive result from feeling the chain movement transmitted back through the derailleurs and cables?
Its been stated by others Robert as well and in fact why Shimano offers their top of the line groupset...Dura Ace in both mechanical and electronic...otherwise they would simply discard mechanical for Shimano's king of the hill. This is by no means an indictment against Di2....its fricking fantastic....but DA 9000 is amazing not only in shift quality but lever throw and effort. Difference is, you feel the shift through your fingers. The detent of the shift mechanism loaded with a spring...versus a button, a slight time lag and then a servo shifting a derailleur. No doubt Shimano spent a lot of time on the electrical buttons of Di2...to try and instill some feedback. Honesty, the mechanical qualities of electric switches is a science unto itself and countless hours going into the refinement of these types of buttons especially in automobiles but even computers, cell phones etc. I have now ridden both and all said, prefer DA 9000. No doubt others will prefer Di2. Also, DA 9000 is cheaper than Ultegra Di2 if you buy right because of reduced complexity of not having a battery and charger...no servos etc....shifters are almost the same cost if you get a good deal on DA shifters. I just bought some new DA 9001 shifters and they are being shipped as I write this. So will see how it goes. Again, no knock on Di2, I just was really impressed with DA 9000 and moreover critical hood shape (to me) was about the same between the two.
Last edited by Campag4life; 03-11-14 at 07:55 AM.
#20
Voice of the Industry
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1188 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
It's like anything else,a person cannot give an opinion about anything unless they've actually used and experienced both.Im currently using Ultegra DI2 and my other bike is 2013 sram red,while both are great and smooth in shifting,the electronic shifting is FAR SUPERIOR in its shifting both in response,load on the pedals,I've tried everything to trip it up and have not been able to.So because some racer uses mechanical,means nothing to me,,the monkey see monkey do analogy is not sensible to me.
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,570
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1851 Post(s)
Liked 679 Times
in
430 Posts
Lenny, there is nothing wrong with the build you are proposing, and no, you would not be cheating any experience. All the stuff you have listed is great. You will not be lacking in functionality or quality anywhere along the line.
BUT....
If you have the money and feel like you want DA over Ultegra or Enve and Zipps over Roval, spend the money now and get what you want. If you don't, you're just going to wonder if you would have liked the other stuff better.
BUT....
If you have the money and feel like you want DA over Ultegra or Enve and Zipps over Roval, spend the money now and get what you want. If you don't, you're just going to wonder if you would have liked the other stuff better.
#22
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque,New Mexico
Posts: 260
Bikes: 14 Wilier zero7,13 Fuji Altimira SL,10 Fuji SL1RC,09 Yeti Mtb
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Gee that's all you got!I would have expected something a little more intelligent than that,,admit it You can't afford DA DI2,and that's the true reason you settle for mechanical.That is more believable.Its like Power windows are nice,but I like to feel the crank in my hand,,yeah right!
#23
Full Member
Gee that's all you got!I would have expected something a little more intelligent than that,,admit it You can't afford DA DI2,and that's the true reason you settle for mechanical.That is more believable.Its like Power windows are nice,but I like to feel the crank in my hand,,yeah right!
All he's saying is that he prefers mechanical to electronic in their current iterations, which doesn't detract from my enjoyment of Di2 at all. I could've gone with any drivetrain when I built my bike, I settled on electronic and went with Ultegra because the only benefit of going to Dura Ace for $~2000 more was a tiny amount of weight. You want to demand an admission from me that I couldn't or can't afford Dura Ace...?
#24
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque,New Mexico
Posts: 260
Bikes: 14 Wilier zero7,13 Fuji Altimira SL,10 Fuji SL1RC,09 Yeti Mtb
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Want to talk about flawed analogies? The Ferrari Enzo has manual windows.
All he's saying is that he prefers mechanical to electronic in their current iterations, which doesn't detract from my enjoyment of Di2 at all. I could've gone with any drivetrain when I built my bike, I settled on electronic and went with Ultegra because the only benefit of going to Dura Ace for $~2000 more was a tiny amount of weight. You want to demand an admission from me that I couldn't or can't afford Dura Ace...?
All he's saying is that he prefers mechanical to electronic in their current iterations, which doesn't detract from my enjoyment of Di2 at all. I could've gone with any drivetrain when I built my bike, I settled on electronic and went with Ultegra because the only benefit of going to Dura Ace for $~2000 more was a tiny amount of weight. You want to demand an admission from me that I couldn't or can't afford Dura Ace...?
#25
Voice of the Industry
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,572
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1188 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
Gee that's all you got!I would have expected something a little more intelligent than that,,admit it You can't afford DA DI2,and that's the true reason you settle for mechanical.That is more believable.Its like Power windows are nice,but I like to feel the crank in my hand,,yeah right!
So please, take your stilted monkey talk and go ride your Di2 bike in an electrical storm and maybe you will come back with some sense at least.
Last edited by Campag4life; 03-11-14 at 11:23 AM.