Aluminum road bike weight
07-10-14, 05:20 PM
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My 61cm 2013 CAAD 8 105 weighs around 25.1 fully loaded, two bottles and all.
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07-10-14, 05:44 PM
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Not the best pic but here was mine
2012 Scott speedster s20 54cm with bontrager carbon bars; bontrager aeolus 5 50mm wheels (demos from work)
as seen with cages and tool kit was low 18's....like 18.1-18.3 (can't remember exact number)
2012 Scott speedster s20 54cm with bontrager carbon bars; bontrager aeolus 5 50mm wheels (demos from work)
as seen with cages and tool kit was low 18's....like 18.1-18.3 (can't remember exact number)
07-10-14, 06:07 PM
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I just don't brag on 16+ lb these days except for my steelie.
07-10-14, 06:21 PM
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I like aluminium - rides well and is 'light' enough for me. I'll admit, though, I have only ridden perhaps 40Km on carbon (test rides), so did not get to see the long-term benefits, nor were there any dramatic performance gains over my aluminium steeds IMO. They were not $10K rides though, more to the tune of $4-6K.
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To start with, it's a very light frameset. Bare frame was 1125gms. RD hanger, cable guide and SP clamp add ~40gms. WCS fork is 276gms, Expander (diy), 5gms and WCS headset 55gms. That's < 1500gms total. Wheels: Soul 2.0, 1295gms, tires: Diamante Pro lites, 345gms, tubes: Conti SSs, 108gms, Rim strips: Rox ~10gms and Red 11/26 cassette, 164gms, Skewers ~50gms. 1972grams total. Right at 7.5lbs combined.
Everything else is fairly light. Tuned S-works crank +BB = 570gms, Toupe Pro, 137gms, Bebops w/Ti spindles, ~150gms, Deraillers, 200gms, Ergosum Ltds 182gms, Tuned Hylix seat post, 113gms. C'dale Fire stem, Ti bolts, 100gms. Cages, 32grams, Shifters have tuned clamps and the cable housing is Aican aluminum core. 'round 1/2 the weight of steel.
Everything else is fairly light. Tuned S-works crank +BB = 570gms, Toupe Pro, 137gms, Bebops w/Ti spindles, ~150gms, Deraillers, 200gms, Ergosum Ltds 182gms, Tuned Hylix seat post, 113gms. C'dale Fire stem, Ti bolts, 100gms. Cages, 32grams, Shifters have tuned clamps and the cable housing is Aican aluminum core. 'round 1/2 the weight of steel.
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07-10-14, 08:43 PM
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Several years ago, Orbea had an aluminum frame bike called the Arrin(or Arin). The frame was just under 2 pounds. (IIRC, 890 grams)
The problem with a company investing a lot of time and effort into a killer aluminum frame is that few people would buy it because the company's marketing group has done such a good job promoting carbon fiber frames.
I weighed my carbon Domane 5.2 with pedals, full saddle bag and pump and it was 18.75 pounds. I may switch the Bontrager Race wheels(which are pretty nice) for some other aluminum rim wheels but that wouldn't reduce the bike weight more than a half pound or maybe full pound if I got crazy with the hubs and spoke count.
12.8 pounds for any bike is INSANE.
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My 58cm 2012 Allez E5 frameset weighs ~19 lbs. built up - DA7800 shifters and RD, Force FD, FSA K-Light crankset, Ultegra 6600 brakes, 32h Open Pro CD rims with Ultegra front hub and Powertap Pro/G3 rear hub. It could easily lose about a pound and a half with another wheelset. My 58cm 2009 CAAD9 (originally a 9-6) with the same wheelset and Ultegra 6600 shifters, Tiagra 4600 RD, Force FD, FSA Gossamer crankset and TRP r520 (I think) brakes comes in at about 20 lbs.
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07-11-14, 06:39 AM
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I just saw Lazyass's comment as a jumping off point for a rant about aluminum not being given the treatment it deserves by the bike producers. And far be it from me to ever pass up a good jumping off point for a rant.
You're right that within the world of aluminum bikes 16+ lb is "not bad", maybe even it is damn good. I just think that is a shame. One of the complaints about paring weight off bikes as an obsession is how much it costs. If you started with a lightest aluminum frame instead of next-to-lightest carbon, you could match final bike weights at a significant cost savings. lechat's example is a good one.
Moving right along...
07-11-14, 06:51 AM
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Off the shelf bikes do not include pedals, bottle cages, and cycle computer . Depending on what you put on the bike after leaving the store, it will add about 0.5 kg (1.1 lbs). So ~16 lbs out of the store becomes ~17 lbs when you get home. Just about right for most of the weights presented for the road (not touring) bikes.
The Specialized Allez is one example of an aluminum bike decked out with premium components (DA 9000). Another one is Cannondale's CAAD10 Black Inc. with SRAM Red. Yet another is Giant's TCR SLR with Ultegra components.
With the Allez at $7000, the CAAD10 Black Inc. at $4120, and the TCR SLR at $4050, I would put it competitively with the S-Works Tarmac (DA 9000) at $8250, SuperSix EVO (Red) at $4440, and the TCR Advanced SL 3 (Ultegra) at $3925 (all MSRP).
The above three companies are still pushing aluminum at the high-end market.
The reason why carbon frames are more expensive is due to the fact that it requires more manual processes and stricter QC than the more mature aluminum processing. I agree that a lot of the pricing is based on marketing hype. And people believe that a more expensive product is a better one. You coming from a QC background would know that a more established (and refined) process brings the price of a product down.
I mean you no offense Robert.
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Here's the point. Aluminum bikes (just like all women-specific bikes) are relegated to second-class status. Nobody is building them in a way to capture the off-the-rack top dollar like say, the latest Tarmac or top Madone. ... But they are considered second-class and are ONLY offered at lower price points with heavier equipment. It is all about marketing, not technical capability.
With the Allez at $7000, the CAAD10 Black Inc. at $4120, and the TCR SLR at $4050, I would put it competitively with the S-Works Tarmac (DA 9000) at $8250, SuperSix EVO (Red) at $4440, and the TCR Advanced SL 3 (Ultegra) at $3925 (all MSRP).
The above three companies are still pushing aluminum at the high-end market.
The reason why carbon frames are more expensive is due to the fact that it requires more manual processes and stricter QC than the more mature aluminum processing. I agree that a lot of the pricing is based on marketing hype. And people believe that a more expensive product is a better one. You coming from a QC background would know that a more established (and refined) process brings the price of a product down.
I mean you no offense Robert.
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Off the shelf bikes do not include pedals, bottle cages, and cycle computer . Depending on what you put on the bike after leaving the store, it will add about 0.5 kg (1.1 lbs). So ~16 lbs out of the store becomes ~17 lbs when you get home. Just about right for most of the weights presented for the road (not touring) bikes.
The Specialized Allez is one example of an aluminum bike decked out with premium components (DA 9000). Another one is Cannondale's CAAD10 Black Inc. with SRAM Red. Yet another is Giant's TCR SLR with Ultegra components.
With the Allez at $7000, the CAAD10 Black Inc. at $4120, and the TCR SLR at $4050, I would put it competitively with the S-Works Tarmac (DA 9000) at $8250, SuperSix EVO (Red) at $4440, and the TCR Advanced SL 3 (Ultegra) at $3925 (all MSRP).
The above three companies are still pushing aluminum at the high-end market.
The reason why carbon frames are more expensive is due to the fact that it requires more manual processes and stricter QC than the more mature aluminum processing. I agree that a lot of the pricing is based on marketing hype. And people believe that a more expensive product is a better one. You coming from a QC background would know that a more established (and refined) process brings the price of a product down.
I mean you no offense Robert.
Peace.
The Specialized Allez is one example of an aluminum bike decked out with premium components (DA 9000). Another one is Cannondale's CAAD10 Black Inc. with SRAM Red. Yet another is Giant's TCR SLR with Ultegra components.
With the Allez at $7000, the CAAD10 Black Inc. at $4120, and the TCR SLR at $4050, I would put it competitively with the S-Works Tarmac (DA 9000) at $8250, SuperSix EVO (Red) at $4440, and the TCR Advanced SL 3 (Ultegra) at $3925 (all MSRP).
The above three companies are still pushing aluminum at the high-end market.
The reason why carbon frames are more expensive is due to the fact that it requires more manual processes and stricter QC than the more mature aluminum processing. I agree that a lot of the pricing is based on marketing hype. And people believe that a more expensive product is a better one. You coming from a QC background would know that a more established (and refined) process brings the price of a product down.
I mean you no offense Robert.
Peace.
07-11-14, 08:53 PM
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I'll weigh my bikes with different wheels and such. At most, with heavy clinchers, loaded for a training ride, my black bike weighed over 23 lbs. I think it's about 17-18 lbs with my normal race wheels (Stinger 6). I think my red bike is about 16-17 lbs with race wheels, might be closer to 17 because of the heavier stem. Neither bike is really light but both are fantastic performers. No weight weenie stuff, just Record/Chorus 10s, SRM, Thomson, etc. Oh I do have a carbon railed saddle.
I do have a digital scale for weighing bikes it's just that I haven't weighed them at home. The 23 lbs was when I borrowed a friend's scale while I was staying there for a couple weeks of training.
My Cannondale System Six (half carbon, half aluminum) with different race wheels was 15.5 lbs, and to me that was a light bike.
I do have a digital scale for weighing bikes it's just that I haven't weighed them at home. The 23 lbs was when I borrowed a friend's scale while I was staying there for a couple weeks of training.
My Cannondale System Six (half carbon, half aluminum) with different race wheels was 15.5 lbs, and to me that was a light bike.
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I just remembered my aluminum commuter (Performance house brand) at 23 pounds is about 50% more than my lightest CF - 14.2 pounds with clinchers.
