Novel(?) idea for dissipating heat away from brake track in carbon clinchers
03-20-15, 01:00 PM
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The problem with combining metals and non-metals is a long standing one. In fact, it is not a stretch to say that solving this problem is the main focus of all modern materials science research. It is an extremely tricky problem to get right. Look at the Boeings of the world to be the first ones to solve problems like this. If you can come up with something in novel in this area, there is a huge amount of money to be made because you will have solved the central quandary of how to combine the good properties of metals (high thermal and electrical conductivity; cheap to form) with the superior mechanical properties of plastics and ceramics (good insulators, superior and customizable structural properties).
Lots and lots and lots of money to be had here if you can make a breakthrough. Fascinating subject.
The OP is not "novel" as in "first one to have the thought". BUT, if the OP can make a breakthrough here, it will be novel, because where many have had that precise thought, nobody has been able to execute this well.
The problem with combining metals and non-metals is a long standing one. In fact, it is not a stretch to say that solving this problem is the main focus of all modern materials science research. It is an extremely tricky problem to get right. Look at the Boeings of the world to be the first ones to solve problems like this. If you can come up with something in novel in this area, there is a huge amount of money to be made because you will have solved the central quandary of how to combine the good properties of metals (high thermal and electrical conductivity; cheap to form) with the superior mechanical properties of plastics and ceramics (good insulators, superior and customizable structural properties).
Lots and lots and lots of money to be had here if you can make a breakthrough. Fascinating subject.
The OP is not "novel" as in "first one to have the thought". BUT, if the OP can make a breakthrough here, it will be novel, because where many have had that precise thought, nobody has been able to execute this well.
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03-20-15, 01:02 PM
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Hey Robert, why put the heat sink in the wheel? Why not build it into the caliper? Pull the heat away via th caliper into a wind cooled finned sink... 
03-20-15, 01:05 PM
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This is actually what modern "carbon brake pads" do. They conduct heat away from the rim by drawing heat through the pad and by ablating the pad itself. But again, you have the problem that materials that conduct heat well (metals; hard ceramics) have really sucky properties as a brake pad.
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03-20-15, 01:06 PM
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Revolutionary aluminum composite stronger and lighter than carbon fiber | TG Daily
The problem with combining metals and non-metals is a long standing one. In fact, it is not a stretch to say that solving this problem is the main focus of all modern materials science research. It is an extremely tricky problem to get right. Look at the Boeings of the world to be the first ones to solve problems like this. If you can come up with something in novel in this area, there is a huge amount of money to be made because you will have solved the central quandary of how to combine the good properties of metals (high thermal and electrical conductivity; cheap to form) with the superior mechanical properties of plastics and ceramics (good insulators, superior and customizable structural properties).
Lots and lots and lots of money to be had here if you can make a breakthrough. Fascinating subject.
The OP is not "novel" as in "first one to have the thought". BUT, if the OP can make a breakthrough here, it will be novel, because where many have had that precise thought, nobody has been able to execute this well.
The problem with combining metals and non-metals is a long standing one. In fact, it is not a stretch to say that solving this problem is the main focus of all modern materials science research. It is an extremely tricky problem to get right. Look at the Boeings of the world to be the first ones to solve problems like this. If you can come up with something in novel in this area, there is a huge amount of money to be made because you will have solved the central quandary of how to combine the good properties of metals (high thermal and electrical conductivity; cheap to form) with the superior mechanical properties of plastics and ceramics (good insulators, superior and customizable structural properties).
Lots and lots and lots of money to be had here if you can make a breakthrough. Fascinating subject.
The OP is not "novel" as in "first one to have the thought". BUT, if the OP can make a breakthrough here, it will be novel, because where many have had that precise thought, nobody has been able to execute this well.
03-20-15, 01:27 PM
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Agreed. And every little bit helps. I always try to solve a problem by turning multiple knobs each just a little rather than one knob all the way to its maximum gain. Not only does that provide a much higher chance of success before I run out of adjustment headspace, but generally unattractive side effects are less likely that way. So some help in the pads, some help in the rim sounds to me like a good recipe for success.
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Or magnetic eddy current brakes, if you induced the eddies in a surface other than the rims.
03-20-15, 02:17 PM
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Agreed. And every little bit helps. I always try to solve a problem by turning multiple knobs each just a little rather than one knob all the way to its maximum gain. Not only does that provide a much higher chance of success before I run out of adjustment headspace, but generally unattractive side effects are less likely that way. So some help in the pads, some help in the rim sounds to me like a good recipe for success.
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03-21-15, 08:48 AM
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Someone may have solved this problem back in 2007:
"Boron fiber is not just about weight though. The VT-1s use a boron fiber brake track and that has the advantage of behaving like an aluminium brake track when you push a brake pad against it."
How much? Lew Racing's US$15,000 wheels - BikeRadar
"Boron fiber is not just about weight though. The VT-1s use a boron fiber brake track and that has the advantage of behaving like an aluminium brake track when you push a brake pad against it."
How much? Lew Racing's US$15,000 wheels - BikeRadar
03-21-15, 08:58 AM
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Someone may have solved this problem back in 2007:
"Boron fiber is not just about weight though. The VT-1s use a boron fiber brake track and that has the advantage of behaving like an aluminium brake track when you push a brake pad against it."
How much? Lew Racing's US$15,000 wheels - BikeRadar
"Boron fiber is not just about weight though. The VT-1s use a boron fiber brake track and that has the advantage of behaving like an aluminium brake track when you push a brake pad against it."
How much? Lew Racing's US$15,000 wheels - BikeRadar
03-21-15, 09:12 AM
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Actually, the sleuthing resultant of that article has turned up quite the saga regarding Paul Lew, Reynolds wheels, EDGE, now ENVE, lawsuits, intellectual property battles, yada, yada, yada... it's a very small industry.
03-21-15, 10:26 AM
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Hey, now I have a novel idea . . . . maybe carbon wheels aren't worth all the trouble.
Let me contact the patent office and see if that one is taken.
Let me contact the patent office and see if that one is taken.
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03-21-15, 10:32 AM
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+1. It was more a mental exercise for me anyway; old work habits die hard. I tried carbon clinchers for a few weeks and promptly sold them off.
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