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Forum: Living Car Free

02-10-14, 10:20 AM

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Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

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Posted By tandempower

What I've noticed is that automotive interests...

What I've noticed is that automotive interests construe basically ANY reduction in automotive demand as life-threatening to the industry. It would be like restaurant interests trying to dissuade...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-16-14, 11:43 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

Lack of humility might be a character trait...

Lack of humility might be a character trait worthy of criticism but it's not a basis for dismissing someone's reasoning. Using it to do so is ad hom. Many drivers lack humility but that's not a...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-16-14, 10:46 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

Probably better not to engage in a religious...

Probably better not to engage in a religious discussion in this thread but if you want to start another thread in politics and religion, I think this would be an interesting discussion since I...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-16-14, 05:04 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

First of all, 'tempting' people is immoral for...

First of all, 'tempting' people is immoral for some people so suggesting that is the correct route is a form of moral advocacy. Second, people can turn things into shame that aren't meant to shame....

Forum: Living Car Free

01-16-14, 04:59 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

Interesting and valid points but I think you're...

Interesting and valid points but I think you're missing one crucial strawman in the whole basis for 'backlash against change,' which is that advocating one thing doesn't necessarily mean wanting to...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-16-14, 04:48 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

Whatever. The point is that you were effectively...

Whatever. The point is that you were effectively advertising and promoting it. I'll give you that were doing so in a non-aggressive way, but of course non-aggressive advertising is the most...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-15-14, 05:05 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

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Posted By tandempower

The fact is that whether you're already living...

The fact is that whether you're already living car-free or just want to, political issues are a factor insofar as urban planning facilitates or impedes your choice to live car-free. To say that...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-14-14, 04:46 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

It's not conspiracy. It's just the invisible...

It's not conspiracy. It's just the invisible hand of the free market.

Forum: Living Car Free

01-14-14, 04:42 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

It's not rationality you're describing here; it's...

It's not rationality you're describing here; it's ad hom undermining of rational discussion by strawmanning the critic as 'bashing' something they are 'against' purely on an 'emotional' basis. ...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-13-14, 06:41 PM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

This seems to be the main line of strawmanning by...

This seems to be the main line of strawmanning by the backlash. I have been very careful to say that car-free living only needs to be growing and gradually reducing motor-traffic growth to secure...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-11-14, 05:41 PM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

Maybe I misread your point. It sounded like you...

Maybe I misread your point. It sounded like you meant that people who are happy about these strategies for living well through economic recession are 'hoping for armageddon.' It sort of compresses...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-11-14, 02:12 PM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

I suspect it will suddenly seem less impossible...

I suspect it will suddenly seem less impossible to you when the economic problems finally leave you without the means to afford driving-dependency. Or do you think that the economy will ever provide...

Forum: Living Car Free

01-11-14, 10:55 AM

Replies: 443

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

Views: 20,152

Posted By tandempower

Understanding Backlash Against Car-Free Advocacy

I have noticed that when car-free living is promoted as a solution to social-economic problems, there is a tendency for backlash. At first, this backlash seemed as simple as any other form of...

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