Miami-Next Amsterdam?
10-09-08, 06:19 AM
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Miami-Next Amsterdam?
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/miam...ry/718898.html
I could not believe my eyes when I read this article in the paper this morning. Is this the same Miami I live and bike in? Miami, acknowledged road rage capital of the US, where cars aim at cyclists on the street, where I get yelled at on a weekly basis to "get the f@ck off the road!"
Its a great program just because of its scale and ambitiousness, and it also seems to privide for bike routes along established streets, rather than separate bike paths.
Part of the plan is to make downtown Miami, which they hope will eventually grow into a little Manhattan in density, bike friendly. Some of the bike routes are already built and they have essentially taken one lane of a narrow two lane (in one direction) and made it into a bike lane. And its on streets tha cyclists have gravitated to for years, so it actually looks like the planners have talked to cyclists before they made thier plans. Imagine that, getting input from cyclists about cycling!
I have my fingers crossed, however, since this is Miami, where the car is worshipped and revered. And this seems to be the project of a politician at the end of his tenure, that has not been especially friendly towards cyclists in the past, who now wants to leave a "green" legacy.
But god I hope it works.
I could not believe my eyes when I read this article in the paper this morning. Is this the same Miami I live and bike in? Miami, acknowledged road rage capital of the US, where cars aim at cyclists on the street, where I get yelled at on a weekly basis to "get the f@ck off the road!"
Its a great program just because of its scale and ambitiousness, and it also seems to privide for bike routes along established streets, rather than separate bike paths.
Part of the plan is to make downtown Miami, which they hope will eventually grow into a little Manhattan in density, bike friendly. Some of the bike routes are already built and they have essentially taken one lane of a narrow two lane (in one direction) and made it into a bike lane. And its on streets tha cyclists have gravitated to for years, so it actually looks like the planners have talked to cyclists before they made thier plans. Imagine that, getting input from cyclists about cycling!
I have my fingers crossed, however, since this is Miami, where the car is worshipped and revered. And this seems to be the project of a politician at the end of his tenure, that has not been especially friendly towards cyclists in the past, who now wants to leave a "green" legacy.
But god I hope it works.
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10-09-08, 08:06 AM
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All of a sudden I have images in my mind of a remake of "Miami Vice" with Crocket and Tubbs cruising the streets on fixies. 
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10-09-08, 08:23 AM
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Its on the residential part of Miami Ave, between the entrance to the Rickenbacker and downtown and on one of the streets that intersects Miam Ave. I'll take a look tonight, but if I remember correctly, the paths end at the intersections.
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It would be great if it happens, but I just don't see it. Unlike many people , I do not see Florida as a cycling panacea, setting aside the issues with crazy drivers. It is simply too hot for much of the year to appeal to casual bike riders, or even to those who would be mildly interested in using bikes for regular transportation. You can wear enough clothes and ride fast enough to stay warm, but you can't take off enough or ride slowly enough to stay cool. Throw in the afternoon thunderstorms that go on from May to October, and you get a rather bike-unfriendly place. It's the same for walking - spend some time in downtown Orlando or Miami, and compare it to a northern city. Far more people walk up north than in Florida cities, mainly because walking a few blocks in the summer heat and humidity in business clothing means you're drenched in sweat by the time you get there.
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I do not see Florida as a cycling panacea, setting aside the issues with crazy drivers. It is simply too hot for much of the year to appeal to casual bike riders, or even to those who would be mildly interested in using bikes for regular transportation. You can wear enough clothes and ride fast enough to stay warm, but you can't take off enough or ride slowly enough to stay cool.
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Says the guy in San Diego. Try riding in 100 degree heat with 100% humidity. The right speed to keep from getting soaked in those conditions is usually about 45-65 depending on the road. Oh, and it involves liberal use of the car's air conditioner.
I ride in the summer, but I have to shower before I put on clothes for work.
I ride in the summer, but I have to shower before I put on clothes for work.
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Now that I think about it, Miami becoming the next Amsterdam is possible. I mean, they already have the drugs and prostitution, just add some bike lanes, a few canals and some windmills and you'll be all set.
10-09-08, 10:12 AM
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Says the guy in San Diego. Try riding in 100 degree heat with 100% humidity. The right speed to keep from getting soaked in those conditions is usually about 45-65 depending on the road. Oh, and it involves liberal use of the car's air conditioner.
I ride in the summer, but I have to shower before I put on clothes for work.
I ride in the summer, but I have to shower before I put on clothes for work.
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"Guy in San Diego" was raised in Texas and rode a bike there in the '70s long before moving to San Diego. He has also toured the southwest during July. Now granted, the southwest does not have the humidity. But Texas does. If one doesn't try to make every bike trip a race, it is quite easy to cycle about even in intense heat.
It is possible (but not easy for everyone) to cycle in intense heat. However going slow is not necessarily the right approach for many cases - often total exposure in intense heat is more of a factor that exertion level. I can cover 15mi in 118F heat at 'race pace', but would not be able to do it comfortably at 10mph and I am very acclimated. As an aside 15mi is about the max distance I'd ever want to travel in 118F without some extended cooling off periods.
I believe top priority for localities with hot weather are shower/changing facilities at or near workplaces.
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10-09-08, 12:16 PM
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I (personally) don't care if I am sweaty arriving at the supermarket or (most) other errands, but do if spending the day in the office.
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I go shirtless into work and wash with alcohol when I get there.
I am DRENCHED ! Its about 77 a 6:15AM. Anything to get bicycling
some exposure here is great but this is a very violent, 'ME' oriented
society here. Its not just a car vs. bicycle thing, people look at other
people as objects that are in their way, whether in the store, road, etc....
No matter what concessions the state makes to cyclists, they cant change
the culture of anger. Im outta here in a few months and counting the
seconds
I am DRENCHED ! Its about 77 a 6:15AM. Anything to get bicycling
some exposure here is great but this is a very violent, 'ME' oriented
society here. Its not just a car vs. bicycle thing, people look at other
people as objects that are in their way, whether in the store, road, etc....
No matter what concessions the state makes to cyclists, they cant change
the culture of anger. Im outta here in a few months and counting the
seconds
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On Oct 13, 11:22 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <e8272cc3-df7d-47a4-a410-1f1ce50c1...@u40g2000pru.googlegroups.com>,
> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
> > parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
> > some parties fun to laugh at not easy.
>
> A party sounds good to me.
>
> 'Xcept I gotta go to work tomorrow.
>
> What the heck -- I vote we have a party!
> With *****s d'ouevres and absinthe cocktails
> and deli platters and good tunes and dancing,
> and a scientific guy to fascinatedly listen to
> for a brief while, and then walk away from in
> the throes of ennui.
>
> And valet bicycle parking.
>
> cheers, & the situation is hopeless but not serious,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
Then come to Miami on Nov. 9th, bike celebration time! Some new bike lanes and valet parking for bikes. The hookers you have to get on your own, but Biscayne Blvd is nearby. Just be ready to put with Banana Republic politics.
With the Banana Revolution we plan to have the girls free, since we plan to bring the Dutch model over here. Yes, the bike facilities are included.
> In article <e8272cc3-df7d-47a4-a410-1f1ce50c1...@u40g2000pru.googlegroups.com>,
> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
> > parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
> > some parties fun to laugh at not easy.
>
> A party sounds good to me.
>
> 'Xcept I gotta go to work tomorrow.
>
> What the heck -- I vote we have a party!
> With *****s d'ouevres and absinthe cocktails
> and deli platters and good tunes and dancing,
> and a scientific guy to fascinatedly listen to
> for a brief while, and then walk away from in
> the throes of ennui.
>
> And valet bicycle parking.
>
> cheers, & the situation is hopeless but not serious,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
Then come to Miami on Nov. 9th, bike celebration time! Some new bike lanes and valet parking for bikes. The hookers you have to get on your own, but Biscayne Blvd is nearby. Just be ready to put with Banana Republic politics.
With the Banana Revolution we plan to have the girls free, since we plan to bring the Dutch model over here. Yes, the bike facilities are included.
Why do you keep quoting posts from Usenet here? If you want to reply to those posts, do it there. Nitwit.
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US-1 got a stretch of lanes from Sheridan street all the way to Griffin road... most of it is 2 feet wide with NO bicycle lane signs ...
I know that they intended it to be a bike lane since there was absolutely no lanes before the roads were re-done...
Ohh well, better than nothing for newbs.. I stick to back roads and avoid the main highways.... crazy.
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Action Plan was passed - here is a PDF outline:
https://miamigov.com/cms/Files/Bicycl...n_10-16-08.pdf
Couple of things to note:
I don't think it needs much interpretation to see that their ideas of smoothing out relations between cyclists and motorists specifically involves targeting cyclists in the field, while motorists get off the hook with some publications they'll never read.
Need I even point out that it is biased in favor of the motorist?
Divert and barrier bicycle traffic. Just dandy 
Also got a kick out of their segrigationalist terminology at the end (ILTB, you'll have fun with this) - a sample:
-Kurt
P.S.: One other thing - with cities bleeding red ink as it is, how the hell do they expect to fund this?
https://miamigov.com/cms/Files/Bicycl...n_10-16-08.pdf
Couple of things to note:
Goal 2: Education – Improve the safety of cyclists through education and community
outreach.
Objective 1: Improve the education of traffic laws related to bicycling.
Address bicycle-vehicle safety measures through enforcement of the laws in
partnership with the City of Miami Police Department. (Refer to Chapter 316 of the Florida Statutes for laws pertaining to bicycles)
• Provide training for City of Miami police officers regarding bicycle safety laws and issues.
• Develop a card or pamphlet to give with issued warning.
• Research the possibility of expanding the number of police officers on
bicycles.
• Continue to identify the most common conflicts between bicycle and motor
vehicle users and create strategies for enforcement and design alternatives to
mitigate these.
Objective 2: Educate the public (motorists, bicyclists, and pedestrians) about
bicycle and motor vehicle operation.
• Educate motorists and bicyclists about mutual rights and responsibilities
through the City of Miami website, language-specific publications and PSAs.
(Refer to the League of American Bicyclists Rules of the Road,
https://www.bikeleague.org/resources/.../roadrules.php )
outreach.
Objective 1: Improve the education of traffic laws related to bicycling.
Address bicycle-vehicle safety measures through enforcement of the laws in
partnership with the City of Miami Police Department. (Refer to Chapter 316 of the Florida Statutes for laws pertaining to bicycles)
• Provide training for City of Miami police officers regarding bicycle safety laws and issues.
• Develop a card or pamphlet to give with issued warning.
• Research the possibility of expanding the number of police officers on
bicycles.
• Continue to identify the most common conflicts between bicycle and motor
vehicle users and create strategies for enforcement and design alternatives to
mitigate these.
Objective 2: Educate the public (motorists, bicyclists, and pedestrians) about
bicycle and motor vehicle operation.
• Educate motorists and bicyclists about mutual rights and responsibilities
through the City of Miami website, language-specific publications and PSAs.
(Refer to the League of American Bicyclists Rules of the Road,
https://www.bikeleague.org/resources/.../roadrules.php )
Need I even point out that it is biased in favor of the motorist?
The physical design of bikeways will promote safer riding and awareness for bicyclists
and motorists and be distinctively designated with signs, on-street markings and other improvements such as traffic calming devices. This may be achieved by installing bicycle lanes, diverters or paths with appropriate widths and/or physical barriers to buffer
vehicular traffic.
and motorists and be distinctively designated with signs, on-street markings and other improvements such as traffic calming devices. This may be achieved by installing bicycle lanes, diverters or paths with appropriate widths and/or physical barriers to buffer
vehicular traffic.
Also got a kick out of their segrigationalist terminology at the end (ILTB, you'll have fun with this) - a sample:
Advanced Bicyclists are highly skilled riders who are generally familiar with the laws
regarding bicycles and feel comfortable “taking the lane” in traffic. This group includes
racers and those cyclists who move consistently at speeds greater than 12mph. It is also
largely comprised of daily commuters. Advanced Bicyclists generally ride with great
confidence but may also benefit from bicycle safety education.
Beginner Bicyclists include children and other first-time bicyclists. Beginners tend to
ride predominantly for leisure (short trips), recreation and, sometimes, fitness. Beginner
Bicyclists may also include tourists, who rely heavily on signage and may use bicycles
for sight-seeing outside of the business centers. Generally, beginners ride primarily on
sidewalks, recreational bicycle trails, or in parks. Beginners have a limited familiarity
with traffic laws as they apply to bicycles, and would also benefit from educational
resources regarding bicycle safety.
Intermediate Bicyclists represent the largest, most diverse group of cyclists in the City
of Miami as well as the largest users of bicycle racks (especially those on buses) and off-
street bicycle paths. This group includes relatively skilled recreational and utility riders
who bicycle with varying regularity. They may bicycle for fun, out of environmental
conviction, or due to a need for affordable and convenient transportation.
regarding bicycles and feel comfortable “taking the lane” in traffic. This group includes
racers and those cyclists who move consistently at speeds greater than 12mph. It is also
largely comprised of daily commuters. Advanced Bicyclists generally ride with great
confidence but may also benefit from bicycle safety education.
Beginner Bicyclists include children and other first-time bicyclists. Beginners tend to
ride predominantly for leisure (short trips), recreation and, sometimes, fitness. Beginner
Bicyclists may also include tourists, who rely heavily on signage and may use bicycles
for sight-seeing outside of the business centers. Generally, beginners ride primarily on
sidewalks, recreational bicycle trails, or in parks. Beginners have a limited familiarity
with traffic laws as they apply to bicycles, and would also benefit from educational
resources regarding bicycle safety.
Intermediate Bicyclists represent the largest, most diverse group of cyclists in the City
of Miami as well as the largest users of bicycle racks (especially those on buses) and off-
street bicycle paths. This group includes relatively skilled recreational and utility riders
who bicycle with varying regularity. They may bicycle for fun, out of environmental
conviction, or due to a need for affordable and convenient transportation.
P.S.: One other thing - with cities bleeding red ink as it is, how the hell do they expect to fund this?
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Nobody is obligating you to ride in manners you may not prefer. Hell - you can ride contraflow for all I care - but I'd be rightfully ticked off you intend to force your style of riding on me.
-Kurt
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Also got a kick out of their terminology at the end (ILTB, you'll have fun with this) - a sample:
"Advanced Bicyclists are highly skilled riders who are generally familiar with the laws
regarding bicycles and feel comfortable “taking the lane” in traffic. This group includes
racers and those cyclists who move consistently at speeds greater than 12mph. It is also
largely comprised of daily commuters. Advanced Bicyclists generally ride with great
confidence but may also benefit from bicycle safety education."
"Advanced Bicyclists are highly skilled riders who are generally familiar with the laws
regarding bicycles and feel comfortable “taking the lane” in traffic. This group includes
racers and those cyclists who move consistently at speeds greater than 12mph. It is also
largely comprised of daily commuters. Advanced Bicyclists generally ride with great
confidence but may also benefit from bicycle safety education."
Edited to clean up Kurt's quote.
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Highly Skilled with Speed and Confidence, eh? I wonder if the author of this "terminology" knows the skill set of 5 cyclists who are not members of his cycling club or VC promotion clique; in fact I wonder if he knows any cyclists at all that are not just like himself and meet his "Advanced Bicyclist" profile. Also wonder where Miami cyclists who commute daily to low income jobs at slower speeds fit in? Probably nowhere, just like in other Forester Brand Schemes to educate the "incompetent" cyclists of the world (i.e. everybody who does not meet the criteria of the Advanced Cyclist.
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Just wondering what you would do to serve cyclists. What would your suggestions be to cater to the diverse group listed in that set of definitions? Further, how would you get more folks thinking about using a bike vice car just for simple day trips?
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