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I'm not sure if more is better, but for me, its all about how the food makes me feel. I feel more energized, healthy, and light eating mostly raw food than I do when I eat healthy cooked. I'm not sure how my body is utilizing the nutrients, but I like the outcome from it. I think if the food you eat makes you feel better about yourself then you should stick with it, whether that be raw for one person, or cooked for another.
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I'm not sure if more is better, but for me, its all about how the food makes me feel. I feel more energized, healthy, and light eating mostly raw food than I do when I eat healthy cooked. I'm not sure how my body is utilizing the nutrients, but I like the outcome from it. I think if the food you eat makes you feel better about yourself then you should stick with it, whether that be raw for one person, or cooked for another.
after being mostly raw for maybe 2 weeks i decided to fry some chicken ( because i have about 10 pounds of it frozen from like last year ) and to complete the picture fry some potatoes with it as well ...
after i had it i felt hung over. i felt exactly the way i feel the next day after getting wasted on vodka - no energy, no focus, slightly nauseous and unpleasant sensations in my abdomen around the stomach and liver area.
now i don't drink but i remember how it feels from the days when i used to do it.
i just see no point going through life feeling less than the best you could feel.
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I know quite a few 100% raw foodies. They claim to feel healthier, have more energy, and require less sleep. They happen to be very "scientific" about their diets almost to the point of being religious about it. I don't dispute their claims, though they seem to keep their weight down, they also have an almost gaunt and undernourished appearance. While skinny, I wouldn't necessarily say they are 'fit'. Its probably because their focus on health is all about a pure, clean lifestyle vs using exercise to stay healthy.
I wouldn't say their diet is crazy, but the degree to which they pursue it IS crazy. It's an elitist lifestyle (gross over-generalization). I think the idea of having a predominantly raw diet is good and achievable, along with balancing it with good old-fashioned nutrition. Spend time understanding where your food comes from, the impact to the environment for producing and transporting your food is very important - doing so will generally lead you to a more wholesome and healthy lifestyle that positively affects your diet along with other aspects of your life.
I wouldn't say their diet is crazy, but the degree to which they pursue it IS crazy. It's an elitist lifestyle (gross over-generalization). I think the idea of having a predominantly raw diet is good and achievable, along with balancing it with good old-fashioned nutrition. Spend time understanding where your food comes from, the impact to the environment for producing and transporting your food is very important - doing so will generally lead you to a more wholesome and healthy lifestyle that positively affects your diet along with other aspects of your life.
that said what little science is good for they disregard. they refuse to admit that they are deficient in protein.
you made an excellent observation about them looking malnourished - THEY ARE !
that's why i am not doing a 100% raw diet - that's why i am supplementing 200 grams of whey protein a day - because i don't want to look like them !
i should really cut back on the protein, but its hard because Syntrax Nectar protein is the best tasting part of my whole diet LOL
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While I don't think it's a way to eat and live, and I find it ironic that most raw foodists rely on a machine(blender) to make their food digestible ..... I respect your right to do so. The only way to learn sometimes, is try.
But hey ...... wouldn't a true raw food advocate would eat foods in their raw sate without blending them to oblivion in a Vit-Mix ? Is this natural?
But hey ...... wouldn't a true raw food advocate would eat foods in their raw sate without blending them to oblivion in a Vit-Mix ? Is this natural?
Paleolithic Diet is natural. Paleolithic diet includes raw animal products while "Raw" diet is vegan.
Because Raw diet doesn't have animal products in it - it is inherently deficient. Raw foodists try to compensate for that as best as they can by supercharging their raw foods by blending or juicing ( of course those id1ots don't actually admit their diet is deficient, they just instinctively reach for the blender because they are starving )
I compensate for deficiencies of raw diet in 2 ways:
1 - by using a blender
2 - by using whey protein
Whey protein being an uncooked animal protein is really the missing link for me that bridges the gap between "Raw" diet and Paleolithic diet without the dangers of eating raw meat ( parasites )
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I don't see the irony. Raw means that the living nutrients have not been killed off by being exposed to high heat. 108 degrees is typically the lower limit they use. So you can have a warm raw soup while still maintaining the living nutrients. Blending does not increase the heat of the food, thus it doesn't kill off any living nutrients. There's no irony.
i don't remember if i made this point before but a quality dental crown ( ceramic or gold ) runs $1,000 to $2,000 and isn't covered by most insurance ( insurance will only pay for a toxic plastic filling or a super-toxic mercury filling ).
humans in the primitive societies didn't live much past 30 years of age. once your teeth were gone - you were dead - simple as that
now what if you plan to live to 100 ? its just a lot damn cheaper, faster and easier to blend food than use teeth.i believe in moderation. ideally i want to chew enough to regularly exercise that apparatus but not so much that i would prematurely wear it out.
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read my lips: PALEOLITHIC DIET
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blend nuts or seeds with bananas into a whey protein shake.
mine comes out as thick as yogurt.
that shake has as much protein, fat and carbs as any fast food meal - burger, pizza - you name it. and just like after a proper fast food meal you wouldn't be able to get up after you had it.
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on an evolutionary scale cooking is a recent invention. primates certainly don't cook and are virtually identical to us biologically.
there is no doubt that since humans learned how to cook we have PARTIALLY adapted to cooked food. human diet would probably kill most animals.
still it would be unreasonable to think that in the couple thousand years that cooking has been in widespread use humans could have FULLY adopted to the thousands of toxins that cooking produces - it is just not mathematically possible for the evolutionary process to run this fast.
there is no doubt that since humans learned how to cook we have PARTIALLY adapted to cooked food. human diet would probably kill most animals.
still it would be unreasonable to think that in the couple thousand years that cooking has been in widespread use humans could have FULLY adopted to the thousands of toxins that cooking produces - it is just not mathematically possible for the evolutionary process to run this fast.
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Couple thousand years?? More like several hundred thousand years.
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80-10-10 is just what naturally occures when most of your calories come from fruit. Fruit breakfast, fruit lunch, tender greens and very little fat for dinner.
80 percent carbs, 10 percent protein and 10 percent fat. If you just EAT TONS OF FRUIT, EAT AS MANY GREENS AS YOU CARE FOR, MAYBE A TABLESPOON OF SEEDS A DAY, you will feel amazing and have energy through the roof.
Heres my take on the raw vs cooked argument:
As our digestive tracts shrank, our brains grew. As our digestive tract shrank, our hunting behavior grew. As our ability to process vast amounts of roughage and plant food shrank, our brains grew. Hm? I wonder what that means?
We are not monkeys. "But monkeys eat mostly veg, and they are our closest ancestors!" First of that is simply not true. Chimps hunt, kill, and eat each other. Gorillas dont even really eat bananas, most of their diet consists of greens. They all eat bugs.
Somewhere along the line, our jaws began to hurt, and sharp things began to appeal to us. It was animal protein and fat that made us smart. It free'd up so much blood from the digestive tract that the brain could do its thing.
There is no "one way" or "one thing" we should/can eat. We are designed to eat natural foods, and we should take advantage of this fact.
Grains, on the other hand......
80 percent carbs, 10 percent protein and 10 percent fat. If you just EAT TONS OF FRUIT, EAT AS MANY GREENS AS YOU CARE FOR, MAYBE A TABLESPOON OF SEEDS A DAY, you will feel amazing and have energy through the roof.
Heres my take on the raw vs cooked argument:
As our digestive tracts shrank, our brains grew. As our digestive tract shrank, our hunting behavior grew. As our ability to process vast amounts of roughage and plant food shrank, our brains grew. Hm? I wonder what that means?
We are not monkeys. "But monkeys eat mostly veg, and they are our closest ancestors!" First of that is simply not true. Chimps hunt, kill, and eat each other. Gorillas dont even really eat bananas, most of their diet consists of greens. They all eat bugs.
Somewhere along the line, our jaws began to hurt, and sharp things began to appeal to us. It was animal protein and fat that made us smart. It free'd up so much blood from the digestive tract that the brain could do its thing.
There is no "one way" or "one thing" we should/can eat. We are designed to eat natural foods, and we should take advantage of this fact.
Grains, on the other hand......
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Anybody that relies on synthetic, chemically made protein shakes is no where near to having the perfect diet.
Period.
Period.
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What's missing in the blender consumption of food is chewing..... one needs to "chew" the food enough to activate saliva and enzymes for digestion. I do this with juice I consume on a daily basis.
Digestion isn't just what takes place in your stomach, it starts in your mouth.
What you get if you just drink it , is less absorption of nutrients, gas and such.
Extreme diets, like just eating fruit for instance, is in the long run unbalanced. People who do this re generally out of balance and trying to regain it by going to an extreme. More than likely though, it will just lead to another extreme to balance out this one. Sooner or later.... hopefully.... one finds a balanced way of eating. But, we live in such a unbalanced world today, these ways of eating are more popular than ever. But, in my view ..... they will never get to the root of ones dis-ease. this takes introspection of ones life. Simple ... yes .... but not so easy.
What I learned in my own life from extreme ways of eating is how I was motivated by fear. Fear of food, fear of getting fat, fear of become like "them" .... referring to my family who ate lots of junk. It boils down to fear of life. Food is just one way I try to fool myself into thinking I'm in control of the whole show. Ha ha. I'm not "god".. . nor is food.... nor is cycling.....nor is science ......nor is fear. I'll never know what "god" is in this human experience.... it cannot be defined. Yet I try . . . . fruitlessly I try. . . and then some moment in time it hits me like a rock in the head . In all humility ..... this is being human . I do the best I can in every given moment.
Digestion isn't just what takes place in your stomach, it starts in your mouth.
What you get if you just drink it , is less absorption of nutrients, gas and such.
Extreme diets, like just eating fruit for instance, is in the long run unbalanced. People who do this re generally out of balance and trying to regain it by going to an extreme. More than likely though, it will just lead to another extreme to balance out this one. Sooner or later.... hopefully.... one finds a balanced way of eating. But, we live in such a unbalanced world today, these ways of eating are more popular than ever. But, in my view ..... they will never get to the root of ones dis-ease. this takes introspection of ones life. Simple ... yes .... but not so easy.
What I learned in my own life from extreme ways of eating is how I was motivated by fear. Fear of food, fear of getting fat, fear of become like "them" .... referring to my family who ate lots of junk. It boils down to fear of life. Food is just one way I try to fool myself into thinking I'm in control of the whole show. Ha ha. I'm not "god".. . nor is food.... nor is cycling.....nor is science ......nor is fear. I'll never know what "god" is in this human experience.... it cannot be defined. Yet I try . . . . fruitlessly I try. . . and then some moment in time it hits me like a rock in the head . In all humility ..... this is being human . I do the best I can in every given moment.
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80-10-10 is just what naturally occures when most of your calories come from fruit. Fruit breakfast, fruit lunch, tender greens and very little fat for dinner.
80 percent carbs, 10 percent protein and 10 percent fat. If you just eat tons of fruit, eat as many greens as you care for, maybe a tablespoon of seeds a day, you will feel amazing and have energy through the roof.
Heres my take on the raw vs cooked argument:
As our digestive tracts shrank, our brains grew. As our digestive tract shrank, our hunting behavior grew. As our ability to process vast amounts of roughage and plant food shrank, our brains grew. Hm? I wonder what that means?
We are not monkeys. "but monkeys eat mostly veg, and they are our closest ancestors!" first of that is simply not true. Chimps hunt, kill, and eat each other. Gorillas dont even really eat bananas, most of their diet consists of greens. They all eat bugs.
Somewhere along the line, our jaws began to hurt, and sharp things began to appeal to us. It was animal protein and fat that made us smart. It free'd up so much blood from the digestive tract that the brain could do its thing.
There is no "one way" or "one thing" we should/can eat. We are designed to eat natural foods, and we should take advantage of this fact.
Grains, on the other hand......
80 percent carbs, 10 percent protein and 10 percent fat. If you just eat tons of fruit, eat as many greens as you care for, maybe a tablespoon of seeds a day, you will feel amazing and have energy through the roof.
Heres my take on the raw vs cooked argument:
As our digestive tracts shrank, our brains grew. As our digestive tract shrank, our hunting behavior grew. As our ability to process vast amounts of roughage and plant food shrank, our brains grew. Hm? I wonder what that means?
We are not monkeys. "but monkeys eat mostly veg, and they are our closest ancestors!" first of that is simply not true. Chimps hunt, kill, and eat each other. Gorillas dont even really eat bananas, most of their diet consists of greens. They all eat bugs.
Somewhere along the line, our jaws began to hurt, and sharp things began to appeal to us. It was animal protein and fat that made us smart. It free'd up so much blood from the digestive tract that the brain could do its thing.
There is no "one way" or "one thing" we should/can eat. We are designed to eat natural foods, and we should take advantage of this fact.
Grains, on the other hand......
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Extreme diets, like just eating fruit for instance, is in the long run unbalanced. People who do this re generally out of balance and trying to regain it by going to an extreme. More than likely though, it will just lead to another extreme to balance out this one. Sooner or later.... hopefully.... one finds a balanced way of eating. But, we live in such a unbalanced world today, these ways of eating are more popular than ever. But, in my view ..... they will never get to the root of ones dis-ease. this takes introspection of ones life. Simple ... yes .... but not so easy.
What I learned in my own life from extreme ways of eating is how I was motivated by fear. Fear of food, fear of getting fat, fear of become like "them" .... referring to my family who ate lots of junk. It boils down to fear of life. Food is just one way I try to fool myself into thinking I'm in control of the whole show. Ha ha.
What I learned in my own life from extreme ways of eating is how I was motivated by fear. Fear of food, fear of getting fat, fear of become like "them" .... referring to my family who ate lots of junk. It boils down to fear of life. Food is just one way I try to fool myself into thinking I'm in control of the whole show. Ha ha.
i never thought i would find people with live brain cells on this forum !
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Extreme diets, like just eating fruit for instance, is in the long run unbalanced. People who do this re generally out of balance and trying to regain it by going to an extreme. More than likely though, it will just lead to another extreme to balance out this one. Sooner or later.... hopefully.... one finds a balanced way of eating. But, we live in such a unbalanced world today, these ways of eating are more popular than ever. But, in my view ..... they will never get to the root of ones dis-ease. this takes introspection of ones life. Simple ... yes .... but not so easy.
What I learned in my own life from extreme ways of eating is how I was motivated by fear. Fear of food, fear of getting fat, fear of become like "them" .... referring to my family who ate lots of junk. It boils down to fear of life. Food is just one way I try to fool myself into thinking I'm in control of the whole show. Ha ha. I'm not "god".. . nor is food.... nor is cycling.....nor is science ......nor is fear. I'll never know what "god" is in this human experience.... it cannot be defined. Yet I try . . . . fruitlessly I try. . . and then some moment in time it hits me like a rock in the head . In all humility ..... this is being human . I do the best I can in every given moment.
What I learned in my own life from extreme ways of eating is how I was motivated by fear. Fear of food, fear of getting fat, fear of become like "them" .... referring to my family who ate lots of junk. It boils down to fear of life. Food is just one way I try to fool myself into thinking I'm in control of the whole show. Ha ha. I'm not "god".. . nor is food.... nor is cycling.....nor is science ......nor is fear. I'll never know what "god" is in this human experience.... it cannot be defined. Yet I try . . . . fruitlessly I try. . . and then some moment in time it hits me like a rock in the head . In all humility ..... this is being human . I do the best I can in every given moment.
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Do what feels good, but be careful. I dated a raw foodist cyclist and left her in the dust on the climbs. I like good food so I find the stuff dreadfully boring (there are only so many ways you can cut up and reassemble something). Your body is a temple, make sure the offerings match the decor.
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Do what feels good, but be careful. I dated a raw foodist cyclist and left her in the dust on the climbs. I like good food so I find the stuff dreadfully boring (there are only so many ways you can cut up and reassemble something). Your body is a temple, make sure the offerings match the decor.
I agree, I don't follow some theory of food, I just try to stay away from the obviously unhealthy things, and try to stick with unprocessed foods, are at least as little processing as possible...I stinking love bread!
Also I've been eating more fruits and vegetables lately, and the effect is noticeable, I feel a lot more awake/energized than before, so I think I'll keep that up.
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I read your blog. Do you honestly think a small company like VM or BT employees a large team of $100,000/yr engineers while companies like Braun and the other name brands who make the $40 blenders cant afford to?
Your whole blog = epic fail based upon many of your arguments and conclusions.
By the way I use a BT for my green smoothies. Both VT and BT are good, i'd be happy with either.
If you want to supplement protein, try hemp seed, its not a dairy waste/byproduct like whey is, and tastes better. Its more expensive, but us $100k+ engineers can afford it.
I think I also read you've only been doing this 2 weeks? I tend to discount the posts of anyone whos just jumped onto a 'new to them' bandwagon and start touting it as the best thing ever. But maybe I'm just cynical Enjoy your blender. Makes great ice cream too.
Your whole blog = epic fail based upon many of your arguments and conclusions.
By the way I use a BT for my green smoothies. Both VT and BT are good, i'd be happy with either.
If you want to supplement protein, try hemp seed, its not a dairy waste/byproduct like whey is, and tastes better. Its more expensive, but us $100k+ engineers can afford it.
I think I also read you've only been doing this 2 weeks? I tend to discount the posts of anyone whos just jumped onto a 'new to them' bandwagon and start touting it as the best thing ever. But maybe I'm just cynical
Enjoy your blender. Makes great ice cream too.
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besides in the commercial blender sector Vita-Mix is the biggest company anyway, just like Apple is the biggest company in premium computer market and Porsche the biggest company in sports cars market.
i'm glad you can afford it. i can't. i tried it and really liked it but the price is too much. i would certainly be using it if my budget allowed. by the way i am referring to whole hemp seeds - not hemp protein. i use seeds for the essential fatty acids, not protein.
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Us humans have an omnivore mouth and gut. If one wishes to eat something different, well more power to ya, but you have to make sure you're getting the proper nutrition.
I've been a vegan vegetarian (mostly-for a while i vacillated between lacto-veg and vegan) for a couple of years. i lost a bunch of weight, still have a bunch to go, and i get my blood drawn regularly to monitor my nutrition levels.
I probably eat a 75% raw diet. fresh fruit and salads are a part of my daily diet. and by salad i don't mean a few pieces of leaf lettuce smothered in dressing. i mean lots of greens, broccoli, cauliflower, peppers, onion, carrot etc. i make my own dressing.
as for cooked foods, i have whole wheat pasta, brown rice, beans etc. i roast root veggies too. '
I'm also into juicing. dark greens, carrots, a little fruit. daily.
a Vita Mix or similar blender plus a good juicer ( i have an Omega 8004) is a must, IMO.
I've been a vegan vegetarian (mostly-for a while i vacillated between lacto-veg and vegan) for a couple of years. i lost a bunch of weight, still have a bunch to go, and i get my blood drawn regularly to monitor my nutrition levels.
I probably eat a 75% raw diet. fresh fruit and salads are a part of my daily diet. and by salad i don't mean a few pieces of leaf lettuce smothered in dressing. i mean lots of greens, broccoli, cauliflower, peppers, onion, carrot etc. i make my own dressing.
as for cooked foods, i have whole wheat pasta, brown rice, beans etc. i roast root veggies too. '
I'm also into juicing. dark greens, carrots, a little fruit. daily.
a Vita Mix or similar blender plus a good juicer ( i have an Omega 8004) is a must, IMO.