Originally Posted by Toddorado

The cynicism in BD threads is enough to make one vomit. I...am a consumer. I know how to work on bikes. It is well documented, and backed up by my reputable LBS that these (Motobecane/Dawes/Windsor) frames are made in the same places the big boys get their frames. Do the research on your componentry and figure out your budget. For Pete's sake Wal-Mart even has a 105-equipped (save cranks and BB) carbon fork bike for $499. Beat that anywhere else.

Be that as it may, and politics aside, I have been unable to click 'Buy' on either BD or Wal-Mart's website. I am test riding a Trek 1.5 tomorrow, as the LBS took the time to show it to me despite the fact that I knew more than almost every salesman on the floor.

But honestly, $499 for a mostly 105 bike at WM (2007 (?) Corsa FA), $699 for a mostly Tiagra bike at BD (2010 Motobecane Vent Noir), and $819 for a mostly Tiagra bike (2009 Trek 1.5) at the LBS. The math ain't pretty, but Tiagra is Tiagra, Sora is Sora, 105 is 105, no matter where you go (possible exception of the 105 at WM - might be a 2007 model, which is STILL better, from what I'm told than 2010 Sora/Tiagra).

There is a 30% chance I go with the LBS, and a 70% chance I have a few bourbon and sodas and visit BD. I just don't have the courage to buy online without trying.

You mileage may vary.