Originally Posted by
veganwar
Get a fizik arione and your troubles should go away. Ive done 35 mile rides and hundred plus weekends with no chamios or liners and no problem. I do wear bibs on longer rides now but usually wear boxers and either jeans or dickie shorts. Check ebay for ariones - you can find a used one in good condition for pretty cheap.
ditto the arione, i got one off ebay for 40 bucks! used....but in great condition.
although before that i bought a pair of fox ranger shorts with the chamois liner, those help too.