When I was a rower my coach told me that when someone is asked about their workout a novice will focus on the technical stuff like their stroke but a seasoned rower will tell you all about how nice the water was. With that in mind, I don't enjoy riding with people that always talk about the ride's average speed or their heart rate, even on training rides. I want to go to cool places and work hard if it's supposed to be a hard ride. A popular route here is to ride up Mandeville Canyon, it's a very scenic route and many groups ride it, but it's no fun when someone kills the fun with an attitude about the average speed.

So to those roadies, bleh