Well, I was going to pull the trigger on a response and then I highlighted it and hit the delete key. I do appreciate & respect your candor (do I really have any other choice) and have come full circle and realized there is nothing I can post here that won't be taken personally. This has digressed even with you and if your perception of me as the "troll", it is what it is ? No devils advocate or subtlety here, I mean I start a thread, get attacked in it, yet I'm the "troll" ? I've explained to you that when I post I try to keep it one on one, especially when the initial attack was exactly that, an attack or attempt to annoy and not just a post generated to discuss. I posted directly to you so that others don't perceive the discussion involves them in any way. My apologies for annoying you, but I will not change that, because when a post isn't directed at you, you can read it at your discretion, but why would you feel compelled to read any further ? Scroll on to the next one ? I get the feeling that the real reason is you feel excluded ? And if it's part of the BF group that has to hunt in packs, it tends to level the playing field doesn't it ? The one's that have each other's backs can't gang up and attack except in post after post fashion. And by me responding individually my response is more directed at the points that were brought up. Who would take on 5 or 6 disbelievers (and here's where perspective is applied, read that as "trolls" in your vernacular) in the same post ? So we're back to winning an argument on the internet ?