your logic, facts, and understanding of the laws of physics are so sketchy that I don't even know where to begin trying to address the flaws in your arguments

You perceive an improvement in ride quality because you want to believe all your time and effort made some kind of difference. There's no way a few milligrams of weight could make a difference that you can actually notice while riding your bike. Not even if your frame, rims, spokes, hubs, etc. were all perfectly rigid and your tires & tubes perfectly solid and incompressible, and the road as smooth as glass. It's not possible for such a tiny amount of imbalance to cause any sort of wheel "hop".

I did say that all the components, rider, road surface, etc. affect ride quality, but the chances of a human being able to sense a difference in ride quality before and after shaving a weld seam on the rim are "one in a million"

dont knock manicures until you try them.

Wow, all that to tell me you have no definition of "quality of ride" or even where you stand on a "jnd". No, not exactly, I shaved metal off, spun the hub, rim & spokes repeatedly to get an average of test results and went back to work to balance it better. Gee, sounds like a similar process to wheel truing doesn't it. Not noticeable by a human being, I wonder if a human being used a higher quality grade of lubrication like a synthetic grease whether a human being would notice a difference. What is that, viscosity/film strength and a reduction in friction. Just curious how that effects "quality of ride". Where would you stand on that as an assertion of improving the "quality of ride".

First thing to make me lawl harder than when I read fuji's posts

six30nine = smart dude.

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Perfect comic relief. Ahhh.

For someone who continues to tell people to stay on topic you seem drift quite a bit. The topic is about how you wasted your time on a very negligible problem, not each person's own definition of "quality of ride" or anything else you bring up.

I keep giving you another analogy or example in the hopes that something sinks in, that maybe there's a cognizant realization. I give up on that, I'm letting it go at this point. Maybe you should do the same.

I moved on & installed a pair of Origin 8 Chain Tensioner Adapters and that improved the quality of the bike/ride as well, the chain tension is dialed in with no hassles. Maybe you'll want to debate that too.

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I did a half century today on an old mountain bike that I converted into a single speed. Because I'm a big gadget nerd I transplanted the computer from my normal daily rider bike to the SS MTB. I got a late start and did not get enough caffeine in my system before making the swap. I put the computer on the right side of my handlebars, to counteract the headlight on the left side of my bars. However, in my rush to get out the door on time, I somehow ended up sticking the computer magnet right next to the reflector I am too un-cool (and/or lazy) to take off.

Oh My G0$#!?! Do you guys/gals have any idea the vibration and chaos I suffered through for the first 18.7 miles before I got to the first rest area and had a chance to re-distribute the 2-3 grams of unbalanced weight on my front wheel?!?

Me neither - because there wasn't any. Period. The end.

My only question now is the same one I wanted to ask in my first entry in this ridiculous thread:

Does the tin foil hat go over the helmet or under? Answer in 5 paragraph essay form explaining the effects of each option on fore-aft and port-starboard weight distribution, aerodynamics, and effectiveness in preventing the mother ship from reading your brain waves.

How will the essay be marked?

Will have to mention that wheel balancing can be important in some situations... if you are like my friend who rides a 69cm frame and descends at speeds in excess of 70 kmh on his road bike and tandem there is this thing called a death wobble that can happen.

It stems from some designers not making proper adjustments for much larger frame sizes which can cause them to become unstable at speed and a poorly balanced wheel can oscillate and start to throw the bike off.

He said this does not happen with his custom frames and he has one of our tandems that he can ride no handed at 70kmh but off the peg frames can be notorious for this.

He does balance his wheels because he goes fast enough that imbalances do have a negative effect on his ride and can impact his safety.

The same thing happens with cars.... some will run smoothly at city speeds but once you hit highway speeds you might discover your wheels are not as well balanced as you'd like.

Motorcycle wheels also need to be carefully balanced as you don't want a death wobble at high speed and used to take my old bike up to 260 kmh and have it remain as smooth as silk.

But on a bicycle, at normal speeds... a few grams of weight means nothing.

Poorly, but on a curve.
Marks will be made in erasable invisible red ink.

I logged 40+ miles today on my bike, enjoyed how smooth everything interacted. The new Origin 8 chain tensioners not only enhanced the drivetrain and ride quality, but were inquired about at an outdoor restaurant on Lincoln Road in South Beach, Miami, FL. Several FG riders sitting at the table next to us, compared bikes and one young lady inquired specifically about the "bolt thingys" on my track ends. I was more than happy to tell her they were the latest acquisition. She inquired as to where I got them and I was more than happy to provide her that information.