Yep the Specs and Treks were pretty old. I went back to look again and noticed the big chainring bash guard was made out of plastic. Thats the first plastic one I've seen and that can't be good. and I looked closer on the rear suspension and the tension adjuster is fake, just for show! that kindof annoyed me. He's probably just selling it for more than the good bikes because its pretty and he hopes to cash in on the eye candy factor. However my New LBS is having a sale on new women's treks for $270 with a bunch of starter accessories (its for my fiancee), so I may just go that route.