yeah, I have been thnking about it, and perforance is definitely going the extra mile. I talked to a friend that only deals with a high end lbs here in town, and he said they wouldn't have done anything beside sell me a new wheel. I'm not gonna say customer for life, but I'll probably be there for a while. And yeah, I tried to go into a skid, that didn't work so I leaned back and grabbed the brake, but by that point I was too late. I really wasn't moving that fast, as stated earlier, I had ridden a lot (for me), and worked 12 hours in a physically demanding job. I was cruising. If I had been in ss instead of fg I would have been coasting. Thanks for the help everyone. I know I'm new around here but I dig this forum. Lots of helpful people and constructive criticism.