Also, if you guys ever want to eyeball how deep someone's bars are, don't look at the stem's rise/fall or how deep the bars are. Just look at the distance from the top of the tire to the handlebar grips. That's a sure way to see how deep or not bars sit because wheel diameters are standard.

When I'm making major changes to my bike's setup (new style bars, new stem angle), I simply measure* the gap from the grip of the bars to the top of the tire. It's all about where my hands are. That's what's important. No need to use calculators or web apps.




*EDIT: To do this, take a string or rubber band and connect it between the two grips, then simply measure from the tire vertically up to the string. Most people have between 1-4".