I finally found a couple of in depth articles on bike fitting for all kinds of riding styles, I think that I was just to
used to the other bike, new bike handle bars 1" above seat, old bike 5" above seat, after reading and going through all the set up processes, and recommended handle bar height in relation to seat, there should be NO
problem ( but old age and practice ), according to people who ride with there handle bars even with there
saddle, or even several inches lower, I did not say I was dying, just a little sore, and this was not happing before. Maybe I just need to ride the new bike more. As all recommended settings fit me perfect the way I
both bikes adjusted. Thanks Richard