yes I know, I could do a search, but I would like to see what the regulars use around here and hear first hand on how they work.

I should mention that I have used those good ol standard long Zefal ones for ages, have had a few of them. Replaced one probably way over 10 years ago when my old one feel off my bike and a car ran over it. The replacement has been schlepped around everywhere, always in my everpresent rear bag that is always on my bike, I put it vertically in my Ortliebs, partly cuz got tired of them falling off once in a while , and then cuz my mtn bike that I used for commuting didnt have a pump thingee on the frame.

I am looking for a shorter pump, I dont mind if one has to pump a bit more if shorter (and my old one is pretty crappy now, the kids have played with it for years and its kinda rough pumping now anyway)
I see there are many models that are shorter yet have fold out foot thingee flat bits so you can use it like a floor pump (which I do have , bought one finally a few years ago)

any suggestions of which ones work well and dont have too much of a compromise of size vs having to pump for ages. I am not keen on buying low quality stuff, I am careful iwth my money but as with many things, a better quality doohicky last longer than a cheap one, so I would like to hear of your experiences with diff pumps.

the reason id like to find a smaller one is that im tired of the minimum 18 inch long Zefals, maybe even longer, as sometimes I d like to be able to have it in a smaller bag or even a really small repair kit pouch , or maybe have it clamped to the seat tube or something.

it seems that there are lots and lots of new pumps out there, so let me know what you have and what you think is a good balance of cost and quality. (oh, ideally a presta/shrader valve would be good, so to be able to handle kids bikes if out)
I dont get many flats per year, had one this summer, so I dont use this often out on the road, but I do always have a pump and repair kit,tube and patches with me. In fact, changing the tube and pumping up the new one when I had my flat in Oct or Nov when it was 4c or high 30s made me realize how hard my old pump was to pump now, so a new one would be nice.

thanks