yes I know, I could do a search, but I would like to see what the regulars use around here and hear first hand on how they work.

I should mention that I have used those good ol standard long Zefal ones for ages, have had a few of them. Replaced one probably way over 10 years ago when my old one feel off my bike and a car ran over it. The replacement has been schlepped around everywhere, always in my everpresent rear bag that is always on my bike, I put it vertically in my Ortliebs, partly cuz got tired of them falling off once in a while , and then cuz my mtn bike that I used for commuting didnt have a pump thingee on the frame.

I am looking for a shorter pump, I dont mind if one has to pump a bit more if shorter (and my old one is pretty crappy now, the kids have played with it for years and its kinda rough pumping now anyway)
I see there are many models that are shorter yet have fold out foot thingee flat bits so you can use it like a floor pump (which I do have , bought one finally a few years ago)

any suggestions of which ones work well and dont have too much of a compromise of size vs having to pump for ages. I am not keen on buying low quality stuff, I am careful iwth my money but as with many things, a better quality doohicky last longer than a cheap one, so I would like to hear of your experiences with diff pumps.

the reason id like to find a smaller one is that im tired of the minimum 18 inch long Zefals, maybe even longer, as sometimes I d like to be able to have it in a smaller bag or even a really small repair kit pouch , or maybe have it clamped to the seat tube or something.

it seems that there are lots and lots of new pumps out there, so let me know what you have and what you think is a good balance of cost and quality. (oh, ideally a presta/shrader valve would be good, so to be able to handle kids bikes if out)
I dont get many flats per year, had one this summer, so I dont use this often out on the road, but I do always have a pump and repair kit,tube and patches with me. In fact, changing the tube and pumping up the new one when I had my flat in Oct or Nov when it was 4c or high 30s made me realize how hard my old pump was to pump now, so a new one would be nice.

thanks

Topeak Road Morph G. I carry it either attached to the water bottle bosses under the downtube, or it's small enough to just throw into a messenger bag or saddlebag when not on my touring bike. Works like a charm.

Topeak road or mountain morph are my favorites. Short and can be used as a quasi floor pump. The best!

I have 4 different frame pumps.
1. Zefal hpx
2. lezyne pressure drive
3. topeak turbo morph gauge
4. lezyneMicro Floor Drive HVG

I like the lezyne and topeak pumps because they have a flexible hose to connect to the valve stem. I like pumps that have a gauge so I know that I have pumped it to the appropriate pressure. With the lezynes, they have an accessory gauge. Also these pumps can pump over 100 psi.

+! on the Topeak Road Morph G. One suggesstion to read the graph better is to take it apart and use a red Sharpie to mark on the graph the best PSI for you. Its a little difficult for me to read whiel pumping

I think you will not find anyone that says there is anything better than the Road Morph G or Lezyne Micro Floor Drive with (with gauge) if you want something shorter than a Zefal HPX.

I have all three, but for around town (not touring) where theft of something left on the bike is an issue, I use ones that cost less than $10 USD. Such pumps have not been stolen yet. I only use the more expensive pumps for touring.

+1

I'm also going to carry a Co2 device as back up. Pumps break and this device is small & light: https://www.bicycling.com/gear/detail...1725-0,00.html

I'm another fan of the Road Morph with the gauge. I checked it against my shop gauge. It's accurate enough that I can leave the gauge at home. Fewer ounces to carry over mountain passes. I wouldn't carry a CO2 backup for that reason - a few less ounces. If I brought something to cover every possible breakdown my load would be ridiculous (it's bad enough as it is.) I've never had a pump break, but if mine did I'd ride to the next town and order a new one. If I got a flat I'd hope for another biker to come along, or stick out my thumb.

I did have to replace a pump once. I was taking a training ride during the drive to the start of my tour. I'd stop at a campground, get up the next day and go for a long ride, staying in the same campsite a second night. It's a nice way to travel to the start of a tour, if you have the time. Anyway, when I was putting my bike on the rack after the ride I set the pump down on the bumber and forgot it. It fell off on the drive back to the campsite. When I got to a friend's house I had a new one overnighted. Stupid me, but not a big deal.

I have generally found the pumps that I have owned pretty reliable and easy to repair on the road if something does go wrong.

CO2 has a few of serious disadvantages when touring. It is OK as a backup, but I wouldn't bother.
1. It is limited in capacity to the number of cartridges you carry. On a long tour you will need a lot of cartridges to keep tires topped up.
2. CO2 permeates through tubes much faster than air so tires lose pressure much faster, making item 1 an even bigger issue.
3. I don't think you can fly with CO2 cartridges (someone correct me is this is inaccurate). Since I tend to fly to my tour locations that is a hassle.

They are great for a quick tire repair though. I use them around town on my road bike, but don't use them on tour.

Oh yeah, to the OP, the Mountain Morph is nice and sounds like it would fit your needs pretty well.

thanks all for the details and real world experience on the Topeak. I will get my keester to a bike store to be able to actually hold diff ones in my hand and see how well made they seem, but the Topeaks sound interesting.

other suggestions though?

As for CO2 cartridges, nah, Im not interested in a throwaway sort of thing,but especially not a one shot thing. I dont care about the small weight issue and a pump is just a pump, it works no matter what.
You know, I realize my present Zefal is probably closer to 15 years old, its quite stiff to pump (I got two blisters when using it in the fall)--its probably really hard to pump as a result of having been used as a lightsabre too much by miscreant little humans.
I too have a little pressure gauge (but an older one for only presta) but it would be great not to have to include it in my repair kit if a pumps gauge works reasonably well.
As I said, I only get a flat or two per year on the road, so in any case, a carry-with-me pump is not going to be used that often, and the miscreant little humans are older now so a new pump shouldnt be abused anymore.

thanks again for the suggestions

I have a Lezyne Micro. I haven't had it very long, but it seems to be very well put together, and I like the look. It has an aluminum body, a footpeg, and a hose. I also like the way it attaches to the tire valve by screwing on to the threads. Mine has no gauge, but I believe you can get one with a gauge if you prefer.

I've had a problem with the road morph once, but topeak sent out replacement parts very quickly. Then when I was on tour something happened where it was leaking a bit and I couldn't get good pressure and unfortunately I had to buy another pump cause I needed it ASAP. However, if I had the time I am sure I could have sent it in and gotten a replacement. Topeak has great customer service, and that is what made me buy the mountain morph, the shop in the small town didn't have the road morph in stock. Anyway, I bet the owner of the shop sent my old one in and got a free new road morph.

Haven't had a problem yet with the mountain morph. No gauge, but that doesn't bother me too much.

I used a Road Morph for a few years, then saw a Turbo Morph online, and got one (now have two) to use, and although I never had any problems with the Road Morph, it was always a challenge for me to read the inline gauge. The turbo Morph has a flip-down analog gauge that makes precise inflation of high-pressure tires much simpler for me. It is about the same size as the Road Morph, so for me, it is a 'no-brainer'!

BTW, I have a couple Road Morphs I'd let go for $25 + actual shipping if anyone is interested. Email me at badamsjr@earthlink.net

I always use a Camelbak for easy water infusion, so it is easy to put the Turbo Morph in the pump port, and not have to worry about losing it.

I am not sure that they have dial gauge, I know that they have a separate inline gauge that costs about $20 and this will fit on the end of the micro pump if you remove the presta-shrader end.

topeak road morphe is the way to go! company stands behind it (needed additional mounting part and even after buying pump used-eBay, they supplied needed part, for free)! i do have a German(?) copy of this w/out guage and is 100% plastic. it was $5 and has worked too. I would buy another topeak if i needed too.....

What part of "as back-up" don't you understand.

I have found people's experience with CO2 to be much less reliable than a pump. People carry pumps as a backup for the CO2!
You might be better to carry a small extra pump, like the Lezyne.

I'll pass on this kind of advice, but thanks!

In addition to a +whateverwe'reupto on the Topeak Morph pumps, I also like my Quickex Quicker Pro.

Pump test that describes the Quicker.

They can be a little hard to find.

tcs, thks for the pump test page, fun read and great to see with some models that it would take "150" strokes to get to X bar pressure, and that the guys elbow would start to hurt, or that only Arnie could get to X pressure--very good real world info.

I was in a bike store today and saw some Filzer models that one can see are pretty much copies of the Topeak models--at first glance to me they seem very very similiar. It seems that there are a number of companies that make smallish models that have fold out foot rest things as well as folding out handles for pumping.
I guess it comes down to how well they are made. I can see the advantage to the model types with the flexible hose feature, as you dont have to hold the pump on like crazy at the tube valve so as not to possible damage it with the pumping motion.

It was interesting to see diff models with diff thickness of the main body--what do you people think of the "narrow vs wider" main body differences, I didnt get a straight answer at the store. Oh, and I think the most pressure I would pump to is about 100-110lbs. (funny, but I am very comfortable with metric, but never have gotten inmy head what "x bar" = "y lbs".....

Post 4 by Cyclist2000 listed the best pumps on the market for smaller pumps. Most small pumps can't come close to getting to their factory max PSI ratings! The ones that Cyclist2000 listed can get real close. There's another good pump not listed made by SKS called the Wese Carbon which I have, it will reach it's factory max, but their more difficult to find and with those others being just as good then just take your pick. I like the Lezyne pumps, the Road Drive comes with a hose which stores inside the handle, is great for those who have trouble holding the head of the pump onto the valve while pumping without ripping the stem. Lezyne also makes those pumps in two sizes, medium and large, the larger is easier to pump but weighs more; they also come in high gloss silver, high gloss black and white if you need to color coordinate.

I use a Mountain Morph Turbo. Love it. Reasons? as others have mentioned - footpeg, hose, gage, great service/support from Topeak. One tidbit- the ring that holds the guts in the head can tend to vibrate off. Put a drop of blue LocTite on it.

I have the Road Morph and I love it. Shortly after buying it MEC switched over to these guys. I can't say enough about them. Well, anything actually... But it is another name in the event you can't find the Topeak. Seems to be available in a micro size, and medium size.

https://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...45524442623947

Another vote for a Lezyne. Models to 11 bar (160 psi), lengths from 200mm up, mass as low as 90 grams. Screw-on fittings which don't leak or risk damaging valve stems. Integrated gauge on some models, or an in-line accessory gauge that stores safely in the handle. Busted or gave up on a few others before this. It is work to get the small units over 5 bar, but not unbearable or slow. Just exercise. They make great floor pumps for use at home, too.

TPRM w/g because it has a gauge. My pump started leaking, too so I got 5 replacement adaptor inserts. From then on I always carry one in my toolbag(s) for that very reason.