Originally Posted by
kabex
I was strictly speaking from a value stand-point, ie. higher spec alu is where I'd place my bet. You can get something really nice in alu from neuvation, or titanium from bikesdirect etc for that price compared to an entry level brand name carbon.
Ah, so they're crap from a value stand-point. So, again, which do you have experience with, that you would avoid, and what is it that makes it a crap value?