valygrl, At 6' the shorter stem only changes my ride position slightly and the T bike's stem height is actually ~1/2 cm lower to compensate for the slacker head tube angle (same stem angle), which puts the handlebar tops in almost the same position, just a tad higher. My riding style is the same on both, I'm me and that's not going to change... except until I get some better tires I won't corner as hard.

I guess another reason for this thread is I happen to have the two bikes parked handlebar to handlebar and it's striking how they can fit almost identically and yet appear so different.

Brad

PS Tarwheel, I wish I could get out of my home lately long enough for even a metric. I am comfortable with the bike as it's set up now and in my mind felt that if it's comfortable now, it should still be laden... I just didn't know if I were missing a fine point here or there.