Thanks elev12k for your reply and info given.

Many people draw the line in 72 and beyond that a true rih where no longer being made.

However did that mean from 72 the a'dam shop never ever made any racing frames anymore ...

I feel there is a gap between 72 and later.

Cove made long before the takeover citybikes under their own name and now (72) the did also but now with the full historie from rih.

Knowing that cove was now the boss it's understandable that the no longer allowed v/d kaay to 'advertise' for his shop with the a'dam decals, frame# in the headstock lug etc all those things that where common for the genuine rih's from a'dam as he was now under the umbrella of cove / venlo.

What doesn't makes sense to me is to from 72 onwards all racing bikes where cove ones like v/d kaay didn't excisted anymore.

Also i would assume a customer could just order any part what he could afford on his past 72 rih so it's to easy to say that midrange specs would indicate a post 72 rih as a cove model.

As you see there is plenty of q'ns to raise one's eyebrows on, but i hope by sharing my thoughts and receiving the knowledge you readers might have maybe we can trow in some light in this post 72 era of rih and there bikes.

Funny enough today i met a elderly man who raced locomotief bikes in crits and such and he told me that at that time the average rider would be very happy to have weinmann as for him and may others this was a very good brand as campa was simply unaffordable let alone have a custom frame made and fitted with campa all over.