just tested out 3 bikes in 2 different sizes each ... loved the Marin 23er

http://www.marinbikes.com/2011/bike_...?serialnum=885

Liked it a lot, much better components then the other. I also snagged it for $599...only 2 shops had em in stock, the rest couldn't even order them, so I feel good about it.

Thanks all for the help