Originally Posted by
rat fink
I've owned and ridden some real nice steel bikes. I wouldn't get one over a SuperSix, but that's just me. I don't think a Gunnar is equivalent to a SuperSix. I would say that a Pegoretti is a closer match. A real nice steel bike is definitely a keeper, but if I had the choice, I'd go for Cf race frame.
You are giving the Supersix way too much credit. A Pegoretti is one of the best bikes made, period and then handpainted and custom fit. Wtf are you smoking? Above the supersix is the Evo and the Evo Ultimate, both of which are much, nicer bikes. A case might be made that the Ultimate is close to it, but then I'd even call BS with that. If you want something comparable to a Pegoretti, then it's gotta be a Calfee, Crumpton, Serotta Medieici, etc.
All of this has nothing to do with the OP's question, except that there's nothing special about the Supersix and there's nothing special about the Roadie and I disagree that the Supersix is better than the Roadie, just like I disagree that your apple is better than my orange.
In response to your last post, the Roadie is above the Surly etc w/ nicer tubing etc. and the new Masi steel bikes ride like crap. The Roadie is made out of the same place w/ Waterford. You're right about hierarchy existing, but you don't seem to know what it is.