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Fiamme red label rims timeline - an attempt

Update 2 Aug 2014:
FRI (Fiamme Research Institute) has saved an eBay search pattern for Fiamme rims and wheelsets. And recently something interesting showed up that can shine some new light on the Fiamme history, 221483946798. It was a wheelset of type 3 below, but without a ferrule for the valve hole. The suspected transitional model. But the date stamp on the hub locknuts stated 1971. That sounds very late for that style, around that time most rims that I've seen are of type 5. But parts can have a long shelf life, and especially rims can hang in the shop for a long time before being laced to a hub.

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First there are not many Fiamme catalogs or other sources available online. But I have compiled all the information I could find and with your help we might be able to solve this. The research has a focus on Red label road rim, but it can be useful for Yellow label and partly for Ergal and some other.

The goal is to be able to date a rim from visual characteristics. As a help for buying the right rim or new set of decals. For that we need to place those characteristics in the right order and with the best possible dating. Hopefully better than something like 60s or mid 70s.

I have made a collage from the different red Fiamme rims. If a style of Fiamme red label rim is missing please let me know. Notice how not just the decals but the stamps as well gets more simplified over the years.



1.

Stamp: "BREVETTO LONGHI, S.A. FIAMME, MILANO"

An old Fiamme rim, maybe pre red label era. And probably pre decals.
Another reference: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27985423@N07/7225739468/
Notice the riveted joint.
When did Fiamme start adding a decal?

2.
Decal shape: oval
Decal symbol: crest
Decal text: top "BREVETTO LONGHI", bottom "CERCHIO FIAMME"
Stamp: "BREVETTO LONGHI, FIAMME, MADE IN ITALY"

3.
Decal shape: oval
Decal symbol: crest
Decal text: top "BREVETTO LONGHI", bottom "CERCHIO FIAMME"
Stamp: "FIAMME, MADE IN ITALY"

Date: from mid 1950s to early/mid60s? - without any good source it's difficult to be precis here, but the model existed in the 1960s for sure. This is the last version that has got a ferruled valve hole.
Update: The ferrule for the valve hole is eliminated during the later part of this models era.

4.
Decal shape: oval
Decal symbol: crest
Decal text: top "BREVETTO LONGHI", bottom "CERCHIO FIAMME"
Stamp: FIAMME, ITALY

Rim with replacement decal. This rim is interesting because it has got the the old decal but a more modern stamp. Did that decal exist parallel to the modern stamp or is this just a example of the common mistake of choosing the wrong decal. And there is one more odd thing, for some reason most of the available replica decals has a mirrored crest, the gold color is on the wrong side.

5.
Decal shape: oval
Decal symbol: crest
Decal text: bottom "CERCHIO FIAMME"
Stamp: FIAMME, ITALY

As what I know this style could be dating from late 1960s to 1975-76.
Comparing Holdsworthy Aids GB retail catalogs from 1975 and 1976, Fiamme Ergal first appear in 1976. Fiamme Ergal has got a rectangular logo and my guess is that Fiamme changed all logos at the same time.

Date: mid/late 1960s - 1975?

6.
Decal shape: rectangle
Decal symbol: -
Decal text: "FIAMME"
Stamp: FIAMME, ITALY

Date: 1976 - 1980s?

7.
Decal shape: tilted rectangle
Decal symbol: -
Decal text: "FIAMME"
Stamp: FIAMME, ITALY

Date: 1980s

Is this even a red label? In Fiamme 1985 catalog the decal design corresponds to the track rim called Speedy. In the same catalog the rims that corresponds to Red labels specifications (360 grams, tubular rim with normal finish) is Ergal Iride and Gi 8.

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Unfortunately the photos don't show the hole for the valve stem and if it has a ferrule or not. What year did the ferrule for the valve stem disappear?

Note: when Fiamme Ergal is new the rim it's usually double named in many retail catalogs as Ergal / Yellow.

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These sources has been of great help

Classic lightweights - Fiamme sprint rims
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...amme-rims.html

Classic lightweights - Fiamme
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...hs-fiamme.html

Velo pages - Fiamme catalogs
http://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_itemId=62

Velo pages - Vintage cycle rim histography - tubulars and clinchers (1961-1986)
http://www.velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_itemId=32690

Velobase - Fiamme rims
http://www.velobase.com/ListComponen...7-7d427091e6a4

Speedbicycles
http://www.speedbicycles.ch

Kurt Sperrys Picasa album
https://picasaweb.google.com/1154170...meRedLabelRims
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