zombie thread! and yeah the comment about not knowing how to workout is BS! I went from 230 cock diesel power lifter (with a six pack) to a 190 pound fast cyclist(with a six pack), then started p90x got down to 180 absolutely ripped! program works! I know all kinds of stuff about working out, i'm not an elitist cyclist, just like riding fast, not a world class power lifter, just liked lifting heavy, not an infomercial, just liked doing something to improve myself.