So here is the other oddity i picked up last week. I rode this yesterday for about 35 miles and it has a great ride. Not twitchy or flexy for me. It is a bit on the heavy side at around 23 lbs. Did some short but steep climbs (18percent) worked suprisingly well. Has a stonlight 80 crankset and a mix of mid to lower end parts but they work fine. Cost 250.00. It is what it is. Certainly got alot of attention which is fun