Originally Posted by
Camilo
I don't disagree that CF frames are not all made the same way. But "could not be any larger.... you don't even have to conduct tests or do research to know this is true"??
OK I'm a dunce, please explain to me how you know this is true (yourself)? And if it is indeed true (which you will have to explain), how could you KNOW this without some evidence, i.e. research or testing.
Sounds to me you mistake your opinions as self-evident truths? But seriously, I'd appreciate an explanation because I just don't understand.
people that ask for scientific data on the differences between a real Pinarello and a fake one are bound to be disappointed.
you're asking for data that doesn't exist.
you're asking for proof that doesn't exist. because this would involve inside knowledge of china bike manufacturing processes as well as intimate knowledge of Pinarello's processes which they don't reveal (you won't get that from any manufacturer). there might be some objective testing that could be done but nobody tests the chinese frames.
the only real information that is available is that the Chinarellos weigh 300g more, have clamp on FD, different tube shapes. OBVIOUSLY they are constructed differently.
now, i don't care if you don't believe me or if you will only be convinced if you see some sort of "testing data" or if the manufacturers reveal every step of their manufacturing process to show you that the frames are different.
anybody that needs "tests or research" to be fully convinced that there are huge differences in the construction of these frames is very foolish.