people that ask for scientific data on the differences between a real Pinarello and a fake one are bound to be disappointed.
you're asking for data that doesn't exist.
you're asking for proof that doesn't exist.. because this would involve inside knowledge of china bike manufacturing processes as well as intimate knowledge of Pinarello's processes which they don't reveal (you won't get that from any manufacturer). there might be some objective testing that could be done but nobody tests the chinese frames.
the only real information that is available is that the Chinarellos weigh 300g more, have clamp on FD, different tube shapes. OBVIOUSLY they are constructed differently.
now, i don't care if you don't believe me or if you will only be convinced if you see some sort of "testing data" or if the manufacturers reveal every step of their manufacturing process to show you that the frames are different.
anybody that needs "tests or research" to be fully convinced that there are huge differences in the construction of these frames is very foolish.
Yea, I guess we have to follow your lead and just have a simple faith that there is actual large durability or strenth differences.
Please, I wasn't questioning that there are differences in construction which is what you seem to be arguing above. I'm a little surprised you didn't understand that from what I wrote since I stated it explicitly that I agree there's differences in constuction.
HOWEVER, back to my question, and please excuse me for being so dense.... You wrote:
"The difference in durability (strength) between a Pinarello Dogma and a Chinarello could not be any larger. You don't even have to conduct tests or do research to know this is true."
Again, I do not dispute there's differences in construction. But I just can't imagine how you would know that there is a very large difference in durability and strength, and why you would expect anyone to know this, without some sort of information, data, research, urban legends, stories from the road or forums, whatever you want to call it, backing it up.
Maybe what you intended to say was: "
I personally have unshakable faith that the difference in durability (strength) between a Pinarello Dogma and a Chinarello could not be any larger. My personal faith in this does not require that I even have to conduct tests or do research to know this is true."