this is not a slam at all, but i asked one of the folks at fetish to compare their carbon frames with something more common, like a kestrel evoke or an OCLV, and the guy told me that fetish was "...more of a boutique bike -- like your colnagos and pinarellos." just thought that was kind of silly.
again, not a slam. in fact, when i was looking for a carboluminum frame, i seriously considered their dirigente model. they make some good-looking stuff.